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| Quit whining |
| diamonddaddy06 14-3-2004 |
If buying a sports car were simply a matter of rediculous versus not so rediculous, one could settle for a base model Ford Mustang. There plenty fast and have all the trimmings of a High Performance Vehicle. People who buy cars such as the Enzo, or the F1, or even the new, supreme god over all that is car, Veyron, do not do so with concern for price or what the police will think of their new purchase. Does anybody really need a home with twelve bedrooms? Will anyone die without a two hundred foot yacht? No and No. But when it comes down to it it's really nice to know that you have it, just in case you ever have to outrun an F-15 on the way to the grocery store. |
| It does 215mph |
| RR-Eng 29-2-2004 |
"It has been ""discreetly"" announced that the Bugatti Veyron will actually only be able to do 215mph. Stability problems of the sort that caused a prototype to hit the barriers at Nardo at 230mph have caused the manufacturers to place a 215mph limiter on the vehicle. They will be running the vehicle up to 250mph once to prove that it is possible. (God help the test driver) Another German executive�s (Piech) ego trip going wrong again, VW have spent more on developing the Veyron than they did on the new Polo. With a limited number of hyper rich people out there they will never make their money back on this vehicle. You could claim it has a �halo� effect and improve the brand image. You decide, does this vehicle make your Passat feel any faster or your Golf any more special? Thought not!" |
| My two cents... |
| Liqher101 7-8-2003 |
"Ok, I read every gripe, complaint, aguement and discussion on both sides, and wanted to add my take. I will start off saying I am a fan of both vehicles. I have spent a large portion of my life advising clients on what works, and building customs. I have driven the McLaren F1 and I hope I will be graced with the oppertunity some day to try my hand in the Veyron. Both are incredible pieces of machinery. First the engines.... The arguement to turbo or not to turbo is pointless, first. One of the statements from BMW about the design of the F1 engine ten years ago was they wanted to maximize output through natural means because they did not feel the turbos of that day were up to the level they wished to achieve. Through careful balancing of bore, stroke, head design, compression, flow control, valve geometry, and many other factors, they came up with a jewel of an engine that runs incredibly smooth, and very reliably for putting out as much power as it does. The turbos at the time lacked a fast, smooth spool up and yet seemed as good as it gets. The F1 team worked with what they had then, and came up with the best solution for what they desired to accomplish and it was great. As with all things, technology changed in time, and turbos improved, but the understood limits of chamber design have held fairly tight. Zoom to the recent past, and the Veyron team started working with what they have today. Using what is availible, they came up with more power using today's faster turbos, no doubt some of the lessons the F1 team learned about internal flow dynamics, and maximized their design, which my knowlegde leads me to believe will be an even more refined, smooth and competent engine. If one believes the power charts on the company's web site, they came up with more power throughout the band, and should be a car that can pull off even greater versatility and potential. This does not make one car better or worse, just different. I remember reading somewhere too that the F1 team concidered using a bigger displacement or more cylinders, but at the time, the proven materials availible would have made the engine too heavy. Now I cannot seem to find the F1 engine weight anywhere, but if memory serves me, the two are fairly close in weight. When it gets to the nitty gritty of it, the dimensions, size and weight are what determine cylinders and turbos, whatever you may think is ""right"". Would the F1 had 16 cyl? Yes, if it would have fit their physical budget. But I hope you are getting the point about the engine, different times, different possibilities... Now about the body... I don't feel a supercar should look good per-se... doesn't that defeat the purpose of a supercar? I thought they were supposed to perform well, and form should follow the function. If it looks good by accident, then great, but the body has a job to do. Your wife should look pretty, a good car does not have to. I know when we were designing race cars, its all about how the car controls the airflow around it, if someone said it wasn't attractive enough, I'd throw him out of the shop. Again each team used what they had because technology was vastly different. And designing a body is very tough, all the mechanics have to fit inside, it has to be as low as possible, as small up front as it can be, and with as little surface area as you can get. In my aerospace engineering class we went into many different facets of air flow dynamics and anyone interested can contact me about that later, but it is no simple task. Since the F1 crew had their go, the changes in both computer aided design, laminar mapping, as well as wind tunnels have made for an advantage in this area. The F1 is beautiful in the way it manages airflow considering the aid they had in design. If the Veyron is uglier for all the better technology in it's design, perhapse that means it is better aerodynamically, but who cares how it looks to you, a super car is supposed to FEEL, and PERFORM, not sit and be admired. Finally a couple other details... Bugatti said in a press release somewhere that they overshot there target of 1550kg, so the complete car is more near 1600kg. That isn't significantly above the F1. But when you have the power, weight isn't that important. Weight is only a factor on lower speed hill climbs, and accelleration. Some of you will say that it hurts handleing too, and I will say you are right, all things else equal. But if the suspension and brakes are right, as on the Viper, it matters little. The Viper is heavier than either, and less balanced due to the layout, but it considered one of the best out there in cornering, holding it's own against even the nimble Miata. Then you have the all wheel drive. Again if you can afford it in the weight budget, this is a great thing to have. Am I saying that the F1 is lesser for not having it? That would be absurd to say. No, the benefit of all wheel drive is the ability to catch grip better, to help in cornering, and to get more of that presious power where it belongs, on the asphalt. The F1 accomplished these in a different way, with more balance and care on the driver's part. It was the best solution with the heavy, unreliable all wheel technology at the time. Today another option is availible. All in all, Bugatti used what they had (and what they learened from the awsome F1) addressed new problems to take a different approach for a similar result, a ground breaking, conversation causing piece of mechanical art. If they had built it more like the F1, you'ld complain they copied it. They took a road less traveled, and in doing equalled the F1 in a new and exciting way. Diversity is a great thing, it allows us to keep growing. So my solution is this: No more argument, lets all work our asses off to afford which ever one excites us more, and get together at the track two years from now. I guarantee that both will show victories and defeats, and what's more important, everyone will have a blast, regardless of what the name badge says. Ok, so that was more like a buck fifty, but thanks for listening :-) I can be contacted at [email protected] if anyone is up for an accedemic debate about this topic, I always love a good, clean discussion" |
| What overkill?? |
| madtones 5-7-2003 |
"Guys, I'm tired of all these cheap shots. I'm not gonna side with either car (as if Bugatti or McLaren care what we say or conclude, even if we could all miraculously agree at some point). However, I just have to laugh at people that 1) say 16 cylinders and 4 turbos is ""overkill"", and that 2) say that Bugatti had to use turbos to beat a McLaren, so the McLaren is inherently better. Firstly, both cars probably cost over a million bucks to own, maintain, and race (or at least drive, so that I won't start another argument about whether or not its meant for track use, blah blah blah...). Both are unruly machines with monstrous engines, awesome and impractical designs, and beastly track times and horsepower numbers. So I think at this point we're above ""overkill"" already, and it's a good thing. If you don't want overkill, buy a Civic Si, drive it hard ans still and save some gas. One would be hard-pressed to say the McLaren isn't already a bit excessive, and in the supercar world, excess is always a good thing. Secondly, those that say the McLaren is better because its naturally aspirated: without saying one car is better than the other, I will say that the power adders don't matter. If McLaren wanted to turbo or supercharge its engine, it would have. If they wanted four more cylinders to match Bugatti's, they would have done so. I laugh when I read ""A Mc Laren could beat the Veyron if it had the same turbos, so it's a better car hands down."" Notice that you people say ""if"" - the McLaren DOESN'T have the same power adders and engine type, so it's NOT beating the Bugatti's numbers. So Bugatti had to use turbos to break the 1000hp mark - is that really bad? Were they supposed to do it without them or what? Is there some automotive rule that they have to, or else the car ""sucks?"" Because of you go by the logic of using ""if"" statements, then my little Honda is the best car in the world. Why? Because ""If"" it used the same ""cheap"" engine that Bugatti had, with ""cheap"" turbos (note the sarcasm), and ""if"" had the same suspension quality and tire grip, then it would be lighter and have a better 0-60 time than both the McLaren AND the Bugatti, right? So HA! But, it obviously doesn't, and Honda didn't wish it to be like that. Neither did McLaren. Each company took a different approach to power, so please refrain from using this senseless logic." |
| Most Extreme Supercar Ever |
| tdhovis 27-6-2003 |
People who are comparing this car to the McLaren F1, or any number of other supercars are missing the point. If I had $1,000,000 dollars to spend on a car it had better have the total package: heritage, world beating performance, extreme luxury, and not of this earth styling. The Bugatti succeeds on all of these levels. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder but I find the Veyron to be both beautiful and visually challenging - truly an achievement in automotive design that is unlike anything else ever built. I like the F1, but it just a street legal race car that looks dull by comparison and has a very spartan interior. Performance is only part of the package - after all there are a number of tuners that can tweak a Corvette to do 250MPH. The Veyron has that intangible X factor that will make it a car that people still talk about 50 years from now. The bar for supercars has been raised... |
| top speed problems |
| Godalmighty83 21-5-2003 |
unfortunatly buggati have yet to iron out a slight problem with the tyres, until this is done the veyron cant exceed 225mph. A high enough grade road legal tyre has yet to be produced that can handle the veyrons immense weight at 230mph+. for a better bet check the SV 965, coud reach 260 in theory, top speed tests havent been carried out yet though. |
| amazing |
| joeybrit 10-5-2003 |
this car is so expensive because its so thoroughly engineered. the reason it has two clutches is that one operates 1st, 3rd, 5th and 7th gears whilr the other operates 2nd, 4th and 6th. this gives a seamless gear change where no power is lost during the transition from one gear to the next. 0-124 in 6.4 seconds. who can argue with that? |
| The Invisible race... |
| Luxcarz 24-4-2003 |
Whether people knew it or not, there was a race between all of the supercar automakers. That race, was to reach 1000 hp at the level of production. Bugatti created this wonder of wonders and will be in the history books for being the first to surpass the 4 digit marker for all time. And a gorgeous car at that, especially the two-tone exterior configurations. The interior needs no alterations either. So the 'Supercar' name sits just perfect. As for raising the bar in supercar standards, well, I just can't wait to see what other automakers will do in response to this work of pure art. |
| old bugattis are better looking anyway |
| TurboDOHC 1-4-2003 |
i dont know what the hell Bugatti was thinking when they decided they'd need an 8 liter, 16 cylender, quad turbocharged engine to get 1000 hp. You can get the same power and even more out of a single turbocharged 3 liter 6 cylender supra! I realy like Bugatti, especially the older ones, but I really think this was a waste of time and money. Yeah great, it goes 253mph, but honestly who cares? It's not like anycar actually needs to go that fast, even if it was being raced. |
| Best car ever!!!!! |
| David 29-3-2003 |
This is, without a doubt, the most powerful car i have ever heard of. I know that you need a license to drive this type of car around the streets, but honestly, this type of car is like a collectors edition. No one drives a 406 km/h car on a highway or even on a normal street. Besides if you do have the money to drive this type of car, you automatically become a target to the people who steal them. So you ask yourself, if I had the money to buy a Bugatti Veyron EB 16/4 would I buy it. I would rather waste my money on 3 Ferrari's or something, but not on a car that can break the speed limit easily. Besides why do you want to get arrested for. This car rules!! but it is way too fast to drive it on the street, so i would buy it, but keep it a a collection item or maybe drive it around the block 2 times a week so the car doesn't spoil. |
| Powerful.... |
| SoRiNxX 21-2-2003 |
..But I don't think it looks too good.I don't see why anybody would buy this instead of a Mclaren F1? Also looks aside..why did it need such a big engine, I mean a W16 with quad turbos and AWD that's gonna be too much weight don't you think?So what if it goes a little higher than the Mclaren in top speed maybe accelarate a little quicker too,it's gonna be too heavy compared with the F1 to compete against it on a race track.Well that's all I had to say for now so.. peace. Don't yell at me if somebody mentioned these issues already,I didn't read any posts yet. |
| 1000hp ain't that great?!? |
| GTS25t 14-11-2002 |
What?!? How many people can claim that their factory delivered road car had 1000hp from day one? Can you name another manufacturer that will deliver you a car that is 1000hp from factory with no help from the aftermarket? Aftermarket tuners can acheive this mark, but then that does not count factory delivered. Even then 1000hp is a remarkeable figure. ANY engine that produces 1000hp is impressive in my book and rightly should be in any car enthusiast's eyes.... sure other engines can deliver this sort of power figure... from modified Chev and Ford pushrod V8s, Nissan GTR and Toyota Supra turbo sixes, Ferrari and Lambo V12s, Porsche flat sixes etc others have acheived and exceeded the 1000hp mark through modification but it does nothing to diminish the work the Buggati (well, Audi) engineers put into the engine to make it that way from factory. 1000hp is a remarkable power output from any modern internal combustion engine. Let's get some perspective, the average factory performance engine produces between 200 and 400hp these days... 1000hp is clearly pretty great. |
| Purpose |
| BlackSunshine 21-10-2002 |
Hey people, here's what I know about the Bugatti. It's purpose is to be the first road legal factory car to achieve a top speed over 250mph. It's gobs of hp and torque are there to ensure this. No curbweight for the car has been released because each car will be tailor made to customer specifications. Caitering to their wants and whims is part of what insures the kind of exclusivity that the Bugatti name was famous for. Because each car is made to customer specs., each cars weight will vary from one to the next. For the customers requesting a more luxurious ride 1001hp will be needed to push the over it's 250mph goal. That being said I must add that the 1000hp mark has already been achieved. If you want to dethrone the McLaren's speed for less than 1/10 the million dollar price tag. I'd suggest the purchase of a viper, then send to John Hennesy in Houston, TX. Hennesy now offers a package for the car that allows the driver to control the engines output from a ::cough:: 'mere' 800 ponies, to a full heard of 1000+ horses (only god knows how much torque she's laying down). Now the 800hp Venom was a car that got to 193mph in a mile, on a saturated track, fishtailing the whole way. Considering track conditions, it's pretty safe to say that's capable of reaching 200mph in the distance of a mile, something NONE of the big bad mclaren's could do, and that was with the old package... I wanna try the new one. Back to this car though, I'm pretty sure someone offering a 250mph supercar @ about 3/4 of a million dollars, each one made to order, isn't ganna let the handeling dynamics suffer just to save a few dollars. Something tells me that when this car debutes... It will be the likes of which the world has never seen before. And I gotta be honest, I can't wait. |
| 1000 hp is nothing, it's the torque |
| GhettoRacer 1-9-2002 |
that's mind boggling. how do you keep that much torque from ripping all the parts and the car apart? sheesh! with a large displacement it can potentially make a lot more than 1000 hp easily. they have never published a weight figure for Veyron? the car looks like a GT indeed. I guess if it's 3600 lbs or less you can call it a light weight. i wonder how heavy the drive train is. this car is a beauty but I'll take an EB110 over it for the track. But my mind will probably change if i ever get to experience the torque of the Veyron! |
| A beauty - are Bugatti finally back on track for good??? |
| breistul100 3-8-2002 |
This is the first elegant Bugatti shown since consept drawings in 1987, will this car finally bring this great brand back?? Sure hope so and that it will hit the road just after 1/1 2003. Else when are a new Royale and a new Atlantic sports coupe on the road.?? IT should be them most sexy elegant styled cars on the road that are benchmarks for other manufactors, but are VW competent to it, that is the big question. With Piechrieder as boss they should, but you never know. A new smaller engined sports car are planed, when does it come out? Just wonder, after many failures, you better succeed. Good luck, a nice piece of motorcar this.! Will Royale get a W - 20 cylinder engine and do we witness a W - 12 for the small supercar. Just wonder.!! |
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