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    A Bad Case of Irony

    A man died in a single-motorcycle accident because he wasn't wearing a helmet because he was protesting mandatory helmet laws.

    Contos hit his brakes, began fishtailing and lost control of his 1983 Harley Davidson. He shot over the handlebars, hit his head on the pavement and was taken to Upstate University Hospital in Syracuse, New York, where he was pronounced dead.

    State police say evidence at the scene plus information from the attending medical expert indicated Contos would have survived had he been wearing a helmet as required by state law.

    Asked about the apparent irony of Contos' death, the statewide president of ABATE, Thomas Alton, said, "We are riding at an increased risk and accept that. ... This individual was a seasoned rider, not a newbie. He made an adult decision. A full decision to ride in the manner he rode in."
    Bareheaded motorcyclist dies in helmet protest - CNN.com

    It's never funny when someone dies but when they bring it on themselves or generally do something worthy of a Darwin Award, it's hard to have sympathy. That being said I still send condolences to the family.

    Still this will only help the cause of the supporters of mandatory helmet laws.

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    I'm in two minds about this.. on one hand I think anyone riding without a helmet is an idiot, but on the other it's their own personal choice. I do think that any costs involved with head injuries should be covered by the rider if there's no helmet though. Ditto for pushbikes - helmets on them is mandatory here too.
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    helmets for pushbikes is craaazy

    i dont know why people like to ride motorcycles without them tho - its simply not comfortable

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    Quote Originally Posted by Badsight View Post
    helmets for pushbikes is craaazy

    i dont know why people like to ride motorcycles without them tho - its simply not comfortable
    I once saw a kid (around 19 or so) ride off a pathway into the side of a car which would have been doing around 40ks. The impact was side on so nowhere near the speed of the car. His head hit the top of the A pillar leaving a dent around 6 inches round and about an inch or so deep. He was flipped into the air and spun over the top of the car and landed behind it on the road. His head hit the road as he landed horizontally. I called the ambulance. He never got up. I was contacted a few times in later years by insurance companies and he ended up in a hospital for the severely brain injured. I would expect he never got out. The accident seemed very minor but the consequences were disastrous.

    I was ambivalent towards bike helmets until then but I insist on my kids wearing them and also wear one myself out of choice. It is easy to say its “my choice” but just how sensible is a choice to risk death or severe disability because of stubbornness?

    People on motorcycles similarly. I mean they must truly believe they will never come off because although that belief itself is stupid, the belief that they do not need at least that level of protection if they do is insane.
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    Three years ago I suffered a concussion (and a broken collarbone) when I fell with my bicycle. Now I am wearing a helmet all time (I already did when riding in the mountains, but there are few in Holland).

    I think I am not far off the truth when suggesting that this individual was not only not wearing a crash helmet, but also drove in a T-shirt and jeans. The use of protective (leather) clothes is still not mandatory, but should be made so as the impact of crash can be greatly reduced. These people may think they have a free choice, but at the end of the day it is the society that will bear all the additional medical costs that results from this "freedom of choice' ideology.
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    Quote Originally Posted by crisis View Post
    I was ambivalent towards bike helmets until then but I insist on my kids wearing them and also wear one myself out of choice. It is easy to say its “my choice” but just how sensible is a choice to risk death or severe disability because of stubbornness?.
    you will never stop kids from having accident

    im sure i had more than my fair share. i crapped off weekly & spent a lot of my under 13 year old years earning money for bike parts/new bikes

    still have scars in various places from my pushbike riding days

    i couldnt guess how many pushbike crashes i have had (from sheer looney daredevils)- hundreds eaisly

    i never once hit my head

    just last week a kid fell from his push bike in NZ on the very first jump at the bmx track , straight after getting out of the car - snapped his neck. died the next day

    my experience doesnt negate his - nor does his negate mine

    i agree little kids should be stuck with them (not that i would have ever obeyed it) - but to force adults to wear them is just silly to me

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    Quote Originally Posted by Badsight View Post
    you will never stop kids from having accident
    Or anyone, hence my preference for protection
    Quote Originally Posted by Badsight View Post
    i couldnt guess how many pushbike crashes i have had (from sheer looney daredevils)- hundreds eaisly

    i never once hit my head
    I don’t advocate wearing them for the times you don’t hit your head. Only for the times you do.
    Quote Originally Posted by Badsight View Post
    i agree little kids should be stuck with them (not that i would have ever obeyed it) - but to force adults to wear them is just silly to me
    Then I guess you hold the same sentiments for being forced to wear seatbelts, forced to adhere to speed limits and being forced to drive on the right hand side of the road? To be honest I am ambivalent towards the idea of making helmet wearing compulsory. I just don’t believe in taking unnecessary risks when a safer option exists. I am pretty much a Darwinist anyway. Survival of the fittest and most intelligent/sensible. ;-)
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    Egg Nogg 02-04-2005, 05:07 AM

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    Quote Originally Posted by crisis View Post
    I am pretty much a Darwinist anyway ;-)
    you dont need to be fit to survive in our modern era, so it makes you wonder what we're breeding

    seatbelts is another pet hate of mine now you mention it. i say to everyone whose car i get into "why you belting up, if your planning on crashing i aint riding with you"

    pushbikes to me are not a form of transport that needs a safety device. we dont wear neck braces when we go out walking despite walking being one of the leading causes of neck injurys/paralysis

    motorcycles sure - thats a no-brainer (intended). but personally i draw the line with pushbikes

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    I am a firm believer in the use of helmets.
    My test of a Bell Star came in 1979 when a Mini of all cars turned in front of me while I was riding my Yamaha XS750 (triple). I tried to turn with him to lessen the impact, but still hit his fender, and then flew some 20-30ft down the sidewalk, making initial contact with my helmet and shoulder.
    The result was a broken left arm, massive bruising down my left side, and no head injury. I examined the Bell Star which just looked to have a paint scuff on the side. I removed the liner and at the scruff mark the shell had been ground so thin it was like looking through translucent onion skin. I believe that helmet saved me from from serious head injury, if not my life.
    The bike was turned into a ball of scrap metal.
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    I think people who make a big deal about mandatory helmet laws and say that it infringes on their freedom or civil rights or whatever are missing the point. If you truly believe that the government has nothing better to do than to rain on your helmetless parade you don't understand. It's for not only your well-being but also for societies as well, as Henk points out, it will cost everyone more in medical costs to make up for one person and in this country, if you're uninsured not only are you screwed but if they save your life your costing everyone else as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ScionDriver View Post
    I think people who make a big deal about mandatory helmet laws and say that it infringes on their freedom or civil rights or whatever are missing the point. If you truly believe that the government has nothing better to do than to rain on your helmetless parade you don't understand. It's for not only your well-being but also for societies as well, as Henk points out, it will cost everyone more in medical costs to make up for one person and in this country, if you're uninsured not only are you screwed but if they save your life your costing everyone else as well.
    The freedom thing is a joke. There is no freedom when to comes to using the roads. We are limited to the type of cars, their condition, the speed, the side of the road we can use, the amount of alcohol we have drunk before we drive, our age, we are stopped by lights and signs. To cry out that having to wear a helmet infringes on some kind of perceived freedom ignores all of those.
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    Spot on, crisis. But logic escapes the majority of Daytona and Sturgis types... a speech like that in a bar would guarantee an asswhoopin'.

    In the USA, these people flock to Tea Party rallies because of other twisted ideas regarding their "freedom".
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    Quote Originally Posted by csl177 View Post
    Spot on, crisis. But logic escapes the majority of Daytona and Sturgis types... a speech like that in a bar would guarantee an asswhoopin'.
    ha ha, Their freedom to not wear helmets but no one elses freedom to have a different opinion.
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    I have much less of a problem with intelligent "conservatism" (or whatever you want to call it) than the drivel that Fox peddles.

    I read The Economist fairly often, and even if one disagrees with their POV, at least they raise valid criticisms of current political and economic systems.

    The Tea Party is not a movement that I see as having an intellectual basis - it seems to me that it is fueled by dissatisfaction and some LCD propaganda.

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    That's sort of my point, Kitdy... there is no intellectual basis to oppose helmet laws as subverting personal freedom. Ignoring valid rationale is the entire underlying motivational force that sustains a witless culture happily exploited for their economic and political support.

    BTW, I subscribe to the Economist and rarely disagree with their editorial POV.
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