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[QUOTE=P4g4nite;790947]
High fives to low sixes with good mid range...a VN SS Commodore won't match that with it's 5.0L[/QUOTE]
From a quick squiz it seems the 6cyl M5 is indeed a bit quicker to 100 km/h than was the 5 litre SS sedan, but slower [i]from[/i] that speed to higher velocities. Afaik a ute is lighter than the sedan variant, and there is little doubt (and self-evident proof) that the ute was indeed the faster machine around Bathurst. Btw I attended that very race and IIRC there were quite a few Holdens that out-qualified the factory M5
I would consider an approx $20k common-or-garden Holden light-commercial vehicle to be lower profile than a $200,000+ BMW M5 :D and thus have more Q-value
And I likewise think if you removed all the police insignia from one of [URL="http://www.ultimatecarpage.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=266655&d=1204760926"]THESE[/URL] it would then (with its plain station wagon looks, bare steel wheels and unadorned trim) represent a lower profile - hence higher Q-value, despite somewhat less outright performance - than something like the pic-attached Merc 500E 'Q-car' beladen with performance-telltale flared arches & spoilers & ground-effects add-ons
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[QUOTE=P4g4nite;790958]It's a Q-ship that invested in a really nice brig instead of some big guns. The Cortina is slower..just.[/QUOTE]
And the Lotus Cortina doesn't accelerate any faster than the manual version of [URL="http://www.leylandp76.com/marina/mar-llbond.html"]these![/URL] :D
[edit] link now denied so for those who missed it here's two pics
(btw the manual version I've mentioned was a basic 3-speed and almost one second quicker from 0-100 over the race-bred Lotus)
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[QUOTE=nota]From a quick squiz it seems the 6cyl M5 is indeed a bit quicker to 100 km/h than was the 5 litre SS sedan, but slower from that speed to higher velocities.[/QUOTE]I'm quite surprised by that, considering the M5 had about 100horsepowers more than that SS, I've ridden a few 5L commodores and they've never felt special quick and while I haven't been in an E34 M5 I've felt the way a 300+bhp big 6 can pull a car (in a 350Z) and I expected the M5 should be quicker than a cooking spec 5.L.....
[QUOTE]Afaik a ute is lighter than the sedan variant, and there is little doubt (and self-evident proof) that the ute was indeed the faster machine around Bathurst. Btw I attended that very race and IIRC there were quite a few Holdens that out-qualified the factory M5[/QUOTE]Is it possible that the locals benefitted from a little development tune the German possibly missed out on? There couldn't have been a lot of local knowledge to put into the E34 at that time.
[QUOTE]I would consider an approx $20k common-or-garden Holden light-commercial vehicle to be lower profile than a $200,000+ BMW M5 and thus have more Q-value[/QUOTE]Hahaha, perhaps more bang for buck but a key element of Q-ness is surprise and everyone knows what to expect from a Commodore.
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[QUOTE]And the Lotus Cortina doesn't accelerate any faster than the manual version of these! [/QUOTE]Q status: REVOKED
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[QUOTE=2ndclasscitizen;791112]Actually yes, yes it is the point. A Q-car that's not fast isn't a Q-car at all.[/QUOTE]
Please define "fast"...
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[QUOTE=Revo;791199]Please define "fast"...[/QUOTE]
not slow :D
imo, enough to scare a sportscar
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[QUOTE=Revo;791199]Please define "fast"...[/QUOTE]
to refuse eating....
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[QUOTE=nota;791140]And I likewise think if you removed all the police insignia from one of [URL="http://www.ultimatecarpage.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=266655&d=1204760926"]THESE[/URL] it would then (with its plain station wagon looks, bare steel wheels and unadorned trim) represent a lower profile - hence higher Q-value, despite somewhat less outright performance - than something like the pic-attached Merc 500E 'Q-car' beladen with performance-telltale flared arches & spoilers & ground-effects add-ons[/QUOTE]
If you think the 500 E was slow there's always the ultra rare [URL="http://www.mercefreaken.com/modellene/124/e60amg.htm"]E60 AMG W124[/URL], with a 6-litre 380bhp V8.
And don't tell me [URL="http://images.worldcarfans.com/articles/2005/10/3/5051003.001/5051003.001.Mini5L.jpg"]this[/URL] isn't subtle. You cheated choosing the version with big shiny wheels... ;)
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[url=http://youtube.com/watch?v=hDNwvsVxW4s]YouTube - 2008 Spy Audi RS6 drifting in Nurburgring (filmed by HenRS4)[/url]
:D
Actually the old Audi V8 Quattro is quite the Q car...
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id say that the ultimate Q Car is(if im allowed to say it):Subaru Impreza 22B STI.