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Lamborghini vs. Ferrari
This is one of the great automotive rivalries. Up their among Ford vs. Chevy and Mercedes vs. BMW.
So which is better? Ferrari, or Lamborghini.
Personally, I have to say Ferrari. The thing Ferrari has going for it is its pedigree. Ferrari's formula for success has always been "Sell the cars we race." They started out winning races and started selling cars to support their racing teams. And they've been doing it for 60 years, and have won 16 Formula 1 championships. And it is this I like. And, it is the reason I would never buy a Lamborghini, IMO. Lamborghini's have always been geared towards the road. And here they are brilliant. Top Gear has raved in several articles how brilliant they are on the road. But Lamborghini started out building tractors.... And their ownership by Audi, means they are stuck with AWD, which I find bothersome. They aren't geared towards the track. they aren't what you would consider a drivers car. Ferrari has always had perfection with their brilliant machines, that are truly awesome on the road, and absolutely brilliant on the track. So, I'd have a Ferrari.
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never driven current models of either, so.. lamborghini. they look better and have more fun. maybe the balboni edition, or something truly over the top like the LP670 and such.
if i was interested in racing i'd get a porsche haha..
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[quote=clutch-monkey;950519]if i was interested in racing i'd get a porsche haha..[/quote]
duhhhahaha :D
Not really interested in new stuff by either manufacturer. I'm stuck in the 90's as far as my taste for these cars go. Cars that spark my interest mostly belong to Ferrari, including 355, 550, 456, 360 (especially stradale mmmmm). I do have a soft spot for Diablos though.
Porsches are just beetles, clarkson said so and he knows everything :D;)
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If I was buying a new car and choosing from these two I would buy a Lamborghini because I would buy the car that I felt was the most performance orientated. However I'm well aware that Lamborghini in no way offer real world choices for everyday drivers like the California, 612 or 599.
And while I would take a LP670 or similar today, if I could have any Ferrari or Lamborghini I'd want an F40.
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Ferrari for sure! feels classier.
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Ferrari. By a million miles.
In my opinion Lambo has only built five good looking cars in it's history: the 350GT, the 400GT 2+2, the Iselero, the Gallardo and the Murcielago. And even those were horribly built; my father bought a 400GT 2+2 new in 1966 and it caught fire three times before he sold it.
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[quote=NicFromLA;950536]Ferrari. By a million miles.
In my opinion Lambo has only built five good looking cars in it's history: the 350GT, the 400GT 2+2, the Iselero, the Gallardo and the Murcielago. And even those were horribly built; my father bought a 400GT 2+2 new in 1966 and it caught fire three times before he sold it.[/quote]
It was those funky high rise carbs right? The ones that spilled fuel all over the place? Jay Leno had a similar story, except it happed to his Miura. LOL
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[quote=Magnum9987;950538]It was those funky high rise carbs right? The ones that spilled fuel all over the place? Jay Leno had a similar story, except it happed to his Miura. LOL[/quote]
Actually the car had sidedraft carbs. The fires were all electrical.
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[quote=NicFromLA;950540]Actually the car had sidedraft carbs. The fires were all electrical.[/quote]
Well, I've heard the terms interchanged, but whatever, right?
What does matter, was that they were prone to spontaneous combustion...
But Jay Leno did say his carbs were pissing fuel all over the place.... :p
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[quote=NicFromLA;950536]Ferrari. By a million miles.[/quote]
a man of true taste :cool:
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"You buy a Ferrari when you want to be somebody. You buy a Lamborghini when you are somebody." - Frank Sinatra
There was another one that goes something like "Ferraris are for people who can't afford Lamborghini's".
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[quote=acfsambo;950550]"You buy a Ferrari when you want to be somebody. You buy a Lamborghini when you are somebody." - Frank Sinatra
There was another one that goes something like "Ferraris are for people who can't afford Lamborghini's".[/quote]
Quotes like those have about as much credibility as those stickers you can buy of Calvin pissing on the Ford/chevy/dodge emblems. In other words, only idiots take them seriously.
I'm sure Pavarotti or some other awesome dead singer probably said the opposite, because that kind of shit always goes both ways.
p.s. not calling you an idiot, just saying.
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Lambo straight up.
Sounds, looks,
I'll gladly admit they are probably slower than offerings from Ferrari but if you cant have fun at the speeds a Lamborghini can reach you're doing something very wrong.
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[quote=NicFromLA;950536]
In my opinion Lambo has only built five good looking cars in it's history: the 350GT, the 400GT 2+2, the Iselero, the Gallardo and the Murcielago. And even those were horribly built; my father bought a 400GT 2+2 new in 1966 and it caught fire three times before he sold it.[/quote]
I can go along with the first three, but it puzzles me that you would take the last two over a Miura. Perhaps being around when it was launched (first as a bare chassis and then next fully clothed) will cause me to consider it to be one of THE cars of the last century.
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Lamborghini anyday. Ferrari is silly.
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[quote=Roentgen;950585]Lamborghini anyday. Ferrari is silly.[/quote]
A bold claim; why do you say that?
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Gotta say I'm shocked at the amount of Lambo lovers we have. I never would have guessed an Audi influenced company had so many fans over stand-alone Ferrari.
We have to turn this into a poll. Mods?
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[quote=DesmoRob;950587]Gotta say I'm shocked at the amount of Lambo lovers we have. I never would have guessed an Audi influenced company had so many fans over stand-alone Ferrari.
We have to turn this into a poll. Mods?[/quote]
I am surprised as well, but I'd say that there may be a silent majority of Ferrari fans.
If there's a poll, it should be public so we can see if a bunch of people crawl outta the woodwork to vote: not that there's anything wrong with that, but I want to see how the regulars vote.
Here's what I think.
Ferrari are a legendary manufacturer that has more racing success in the fastest/most expensive/top formula of open wheel racing (and the most expensive motorsport), as well as the 2nd most success at Le Mans.
Say what you want about their road cars (and I think most would say that Ferraris are more rewarding to drive at 10/10ths than Lamborghinis for whatever that's worth), but the legend of Ferrari at the racetrack makes them my favourite.
If I somehow were to come to a point in my life where I could afford a Ferrari or a Lamborghini, I suppose it wouldn't matter what was best at 10/10ths for practical purposes, but the fact that I knew my car was better at the limit might mean something for me - even if I never took it there. Besides, Ferrari's may well be more engaging to drive even at relatively low speeds.
Lamborghini may have made the best looking recent car in my eyes (the Murcielago), but Ferrari made the 2nd best looking - the F355 - which pretty much ever since I saw The Rock has been my favourite car. It may not be as fast as newer 600 hp monsters - and it may not be the best - but it has that nostalgia factor, and was one of the first cars I ever liked (the first being the DMC-12 - movies played a big role in my early interest in cars).
The Countach is also one of those early cars I loved, but I undoubtedly must give the edge to the F355.
Then, you have maybe the best looking car of all time - the 250 GT SWB - coming from Ferrari.
If I factor in road cars too, I have to go with the manufacturer that makes my favourite car - Ferrari.
I recently mentioned I don't give a crap about what JC thinks about cars, but what the hell, if he agrees with me, I'll trot a quote of his out; him on the F355: "The best car in the world, ever."
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Ferrari with a roof, Lambo without.
Also, merge this thread with all the others asking the same question?
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Lambo, i'd just feel silly in a Ferrari (the new ones) if it was a pre 360 then i'd go for Ferrari (355/456) and never in red/yellow.
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[quote=whiteballz;950583]Lambo straight up.
Sounds, looks,
I'll gladly admit they are probably slower than offerings from Ferrari but if you cant have fun at the speeds a Lamborghini can reach you're doing something very wrong.[/quote]
exactly. seem to offer so much more of an 'occasion' when driven, just this past weekend had an experience with an LP670 SV (not me driving obviously..).
as said before, if i was worried about speed/racing, i'd be lookng at porsche, so that leaves lambo..
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Pre 00s = Ferrari
Post 00s = Lambo
We need a poll option up in here.
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I'm on the Ferrari train. They look better and perform relatively the same plus it's a thoroghbred. Compare the number of diff. models produced to Lambo and they prolly have them beat 3-fold with almost every single one of those models being breathtakingly beautiful (except the Mondial of course and i was never a fan of the 166).
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Just gonna add, Desmo and Ruim, much props for the 456 love. 'Tis a wonderful beastie.
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[quote=DesmoRob;950587]Gotta say I'm shocked at the amount of Lambo lovers we have. I never would have guessed an Audi influenced company had so many fans over stand-alone Ferrari.
We have to turn this into a poll. Mods?[/quote]
Ferrari isn't standalone, they are owned by Fiat. (Along with Alfa, Mazzer, Lancia)
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[quote=acfsambo;950616]Ferrari isn't standalone, they are owned by Fiat. (Along with Alfa, Mazzer, Lancia)[/quote]
When I say stand alone, I mean they do their own thing and nobody to my knowledge influences them. Ferrari doesn't go to FIAT for help, because FIAT can't really offer much. Lambo on the other hand benefits from Audi's knowledge (they share parts). The only time in history where I can think of a partnered project between Ferrari and Fiat was the 246 Dino.
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What if, either of them aren't really your cup of tea?
PS. Ferrari has benefited from other manufacturers, including buying Lancia's cars because theirs were too slow and beign little more than a racing team using Alfa Romeos...
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[quote=henk4;950584]I can go along with the first three, but it puzzles me that you would take the last two over a Miura. Perhaps being around when it was launched (first as a bare chassis and then next fully clothed) will cause me to consider it to be one of THE cars of the last century.[/quote]
Miura never did much for me. A Ferrari Daytona has a higher top speed, more reliable, MUCH easier to get in and out of and MUCH more comfortable. While the styling isn't as revolutionary as the Miura, I happen to like the way the Daytona looks better.
Now here's a little challenge to the Lambo faithful: Name a significant race Lamborghini has won.
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[quote=NicFromLA;950636]
Now here's a little challenge to the Lambo faithful: Name a significant race Lamborghini has won.[/quote]
i don't think people like lambo's for racing.. and nothing wears more than ferrari owners waxing on about how 'their' car won such and such race.
usualy as they park it on the boulevard next to the lambo's anyway.
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I don't think race wins are important.
It is cool that Ferrari races though.
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[quote=Kitdy;950646]I don't think race wins are important.
It is cool that Ferrari races though.[/quote]
I think quite the opposite actually. Its hugely important that Ferrari races. Porsche has subscribed to the Axiom "We race the cars we sell," as opposed to ferrari who go about business as "We sell the the cars we race." Who do you think builds the better performing car?
Ferrari stuffs their cars with technology that has back tracked its way from Formula 1 and both the 599XX and FXX programs. it has given drivers the brilliant semi automatic gearbox, superb traction control, and brilliant engines. If Ferrari is doing well on the track, it will show in its street cars later.
Not that Lamborghini hasn't built great cars as well. In fact, they are brilliant. But I don't see Lamborghinis as well refined or focused as a Ferrari.
But Lamborghini has Audi as a handicap, IMO. Audi's quattro setup is really holding them back. The Balboni was a raw and brilliant car, and I think Lambo should continue to build RWD cars, except make it a permanent option or model.
And I would just like to throw this out their, Audi has been rumored to enter Formula 1 any year now.
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[quote=aiasib;950599]Pre 00s = Ferrari
Post 00s = Lambo[/quote]
if that's the two options.. you devious man.
[quote=Magnum9987;950649]I think quite the opposite actually. Its hugely important that Ferrari races. Porsche has subscribed to the Axiom "We race the cars we sell," as opposed to ferrari who go about business as "We sell the the cars we race." Who do you think builds the better performing car? [/quote]
there's still a big gap between their race cars and road cars, but the gap is smaller with the porsche models imo.. spec up a GT3 the right way and you're ready for an entry level enduro race.
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I can't really decide at the moment. Some years ago, the answer would have been Ferrari, but at the moment, both companies are doing equally well: Ferrari isn't as focused as they were in the past, and Lambo is gaining rapidly. I think I'll come back to this decision when I've seen both the Enzo sucessor and the new Jota.
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[quote=NicFromLA;950636]Miura never did much for me. A Ferrari Daytona has a higher top speed, more reliable, MUCH easier to get in and out of and MUCH more comfortable. While the styling isn't as revolutionary as the Miura, I happen to like the way the Daytona looks better.
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Now that's funny because from the 60ies Ferraris the Daytona was the least appealing to me. I'd rather go with a 365 GTC, styling wise...it may not be the no-compromise sportscar, but it looks infinitely better than the Daytona.
And yes, the Miura had its flaws, surprised you did not mention its tendency to take off at high speed, but it had the wow-factor, and very much of it.
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[quote=Magnum9987;950649]I think quite the opposite actually. Its hugely important that Ferrari races. Porsche has subscribed to the Axiom "We race the cars we sell," as opposed to ferrari who go about business as "We sell the the cars we race." Who do you think builds the better performing car?
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this may have been the case in the past, but for a very long time both factories go by the axiom: [I]You race the cars we sell[/I] (at a ridiculously high price, especially Porsche).
You may notpick about Ferrari selling its obsolete F1 cars to Cliente Corse people, but in general the non F1 Ferraris you see on track are privately owned and operated and so are the Porsches, although some programmes were hardly disguished works efforts (LMP2 to name one).
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[quote=clutch-monkey;950651]there's still a big gap between their race cars and road cars, but the gap is smaller with the porsche models imo.. spec up a GT3 the right way and you're ready for an entry level enduro race.[/quote]
I was gonna say - the GT3 is surely one of the most track focused cars from a major manufacturer - more track oriented than a CS/Scuderia you think?
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[quote=Kitdy;950646]I don't think race wins are important.
It is cool that Ferrari races though.[/quote]
I think Lambo has recently found that they are important b/c they've helped develop race cars for both of their current (well nearly current) models w/ the Gallardo GT2/3 cars and the Murcielago R-GT in GT1
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[quote=Kitdy;950672]I was gonna say - the GT3 is surely one of the most track focused cars from a major manufacturer - more track oriented than a CS/Scuderia you think?[/quote]
depends on what specs you tick - the scuderia seems to be pretty 'fixed' for options, you can tick boxes until the GT3 is ready to race at club level/ipr races or enduro, or go theother way until it's a very sharp street car with some comforts.
even so, compare it to 'actual' race stuff like carrera cup cars, there's still a big gap.
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I believe you guys are forgetting the 458 Challenge car. That is hardcore. It comes with a roll cage for gods sake. The engine is stock, but the ratios are tuned, and so are the gearbox electronics. It has better suspension, and larger tires, with slicks available. it can sustain 1.6Gs, as much as its ALMS F430 cousin. And, its not road legal.