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Duell 02-26-2013 08:58 AM

McLaren P1 2013-
 
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[B]McLaren P1™[/B]
[LIST][*]Instant Power Assist System (IPAS) provides astonishing acceleration: 0 to 300 km/h takes less than 17 seconds, more than 23 per cent faster than the legendary McLaren F1[*]Top speed electronically limited to 350 km/h[*]To maintain exclusivity, production will be strictly limited to 375 units[*]Pricing to start from £866,000 on the road; fully equipped as standard for road and track use[*][URL="http://www.ultimatecarpage.com/forum/showthread.php?t=45201"]Production model is almost unchanged from the original design study[/URL][/LIST]
McLaren Automotive has released the final numbers, images and information relating to its phenomenal McLaren P1™ ahead of a global reveal in just a few days at the 83rd International Geneva Motor Show.

The race-inspired Instant Power Assist System (IPAS) gives the McLaren P1™ astonishing performance. Zero to 100km/h will take less than 3 seconds, zero to 200 km/h under 7 seconds, and zero to 300 km/h will be achieved in no more than 17 seconds. Putting that into perspective, that’s 5 seconds faster than the legendary McLaren F1 road car. Top speed is electronically limited to 350 km/h.

McLaren has been engaging with potential customers actively in the last few months to get their views on the McLaren P1™, about the car’s styling. Their unanimous verdict on the styling was not to change the car presented last September in Paris. So unusually, the McLaren P1™ has translated to production form with very little change. In fact just one, the addition of LTR ducts ahead of each of the front wheels to further aid cooling and optimise downforce.

McLaren has closely monitored demand so as to maintain exclusivity, and announced a production number of just 375 units – a figure that will ensure the McLaren P1™ will remain a rarity and, if spotted on the road, an unforgettable sight.

McLaren has also announced that the car will cost from £866,000 on the road with a specification that fully equips the car for both road and track use. The company prides itself on designing performance cars that their owners can use regularly so the McLaren P1™ comes comprehensively equipped as standard with an array of colour and trim alternatives from which the customer will be able to choose as well as visible carbon fibre in the cabin. The options list is limited to only bespoke content that a customer might wish to add through McLaren Special Operations, and fitted luggage.

As already announced, the McLaren P1™ will have the combined force of two highly-efficient powerplants, offering the optimum mix of superb throttle response, day-to-day drivability and top speed. A mid-mounted 3.8-litre twin-turbo V8 petrol engine is substantially enhanced featuring, for example, larger turbochargers and a highly effective electric motor, to give a combined output of 916PS (903 bhp) and a maximum torque figure of 900Nm. This ensures instantaneous throttle response through the rev range, more akin to a naturally aspirated engine. Emissions of less than 200g/km on the combined cycle are reduced to zero in full electric drive mode, while the Formula 1-derived DRS and IPAS technologies offer an increase in straight-line speed and an instant boost of power.

The tyres fitted to the McLaren P1™ are specially developed P Zero Corsas, which have been developed with McLaren’s technology partner, Pirelli. The team at Pirelli has been involved throughout the entire development programme, and this has seen the tyre testing phase integrated into the schedule, as a key performance component. The final compound and construction has been developed and optimised during testing, and the end result is a tyre that is finely tuned specifically to the performance and handling characteristics.

To rein in the power produced by the twin powerplants, the McLaren P1™ is designed to offer braking performance more associated with a GT3 or sports racing car. Developed by McLaren’s Formula 1 partner Akebono, the system features a new type of carbon ceramic disc, which has previously seen service in space, but never before used on a road car. Stronger than conventional carbon ceramic, the material dissipates heat more effectively, giving the highly efficient braking system exceptional stopping and cooling capability. The system also boasts significantly reduced weight, and a bespoke ceramic layer coats both friction surfaces to give an attractive mirrored finish.

One surprising feature is that the car can also be driven solely in electric mode. In city driving, with an average speed of 30 mph, this could mean up to a 20km range. More than enough for an owner to enter, for example, a city centre Zero Emissions Zone, have dinner and return home.

Duell 02-26-2013 08:59 AM

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Ferrer 02-26-2013 02:05 PM

I was just reading about this in a spanish motoring website and I thought... "even if I had the money I wouldn't be interested"...

Things have just gone out of control for supercars these days.

RacingManiac 02-26-2013 02:27 PM

[quote=Ferrer;992427]I was just reading about this in a spanish motoring website and I thought... "even if I had the money I wouldn't be interested"...

Things have just gone out of control for supercars these days.[/quote]

But really, when has it not been like this. We live in an era when a Toyota Camry is a 14 sec car, something that used to be considered fast in an era where big V8 roam the land. In order to make something super, they have to shoot much higher.

People can go on about driving pleasure and whatever blah. When someone wants to dump money on something extreme, exclusive and fast, they'll look at one of these things.

Ferrer 02-26-2013 02:36 PM

[quote=RacingManiac;992429]But really, when has it not been like this. We live in an era when a Toyota Camry is a 14 sec car, something that used to be considered fast in an era where big V8 roam the land. In order to make something super, they have to shoot much higher.

People can go on about driving pleasure and whatever blah. When someone wants to dump money on something extreme, exclusive and fast, they'll look at one of these things.[/quote]
Well yes.

But in the real world all this performance simply can't be used.

I presume than in the days of the Countach and Testarossa (and earlier) despite those cars having much higher performance than normal saloons and hatchbacks you could still get close to the limit (or at least closer than you can this), so that the magic was still there.

I think that this (and the Agera, the Huayra, etc) have a different problem than say a GT-R. It's not that you are not feeling involved, it is that you'll never get even remotely close to the limit, so what's the point?

Like we were discussing in the "State of the Car" thread; performance will always sell even if only for having the ultimate. There are people which are like this, and I respect them, but I'm not one of them. Basically I want to feel that I could get up to at least 80 or 85% of what the car can do. In this or any other supercar I doubt you'd get passed 60 or 65%.

So definitley the current crop of supercars aren't for me.

Not that I can afford them anyway.

f6fhellcat13 02-26-2013 04:22 PM

[quote=Ferrer;992430]Well yes.

But in the real world all this performance simply can't be used.

I presume than in the days of the Countach and Testarossa (and earlier) despite those cars having much higher performance than normal saloons and hatchbacks you could still get close to the limit (or at least closer than you can this), so that the magic was still there.
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You would have to be as nuts/wealthy to buy this as to drive a Countach on the public roads.


As for the P1: It is ugly, but I will withhold judgment until they are distributed amongst and reviewed by the journoes.

Ferrer 02-26-2013 04:50 PM

[quote=f6fhellcat13;992435]You would have to be as nuts/wealthy to buy this as to drive a Countach on the public roads.[/quote]
I'm sure some of the bad rep of the Countach is exaggeration.

The bit about having to park it with the doors open, at least.

Probably.

RacingManiac 02-26-2013 05:27 PM

I think in the era of Countach, within its time, its just as crazy to drive them on public road as well as approach its limit. Tires are crappier, brakes are crappier...etc

I think the proposition is no different. The cars in general is better now with a more sorted design and so forth that makes them more use friendly. I'd also say though in the time of Countach, the idea of a track day is not nearly as prevalent as it is today. People who want to drive these cars at the limit will have a chance to do so more than they used to. At the end of the day though only a small portion of the owners of these cars will drive them often anyway, and even smaller subset of that will bring them to a track, and I don't think that has ever changed since the advent of supercars...

Ferrer 02-27-2013 12:07 AM

[quote=RacingManiac;992438]I think in the era of Countach, within its time, its just as crazy to drive them on public road as well as approach its limit. [B]Tires are crappier, brakes are crappier[/B]...etc[/quote]
Indeed. And there was less acceleration and less speed. Which meant you could use it more often.

There's also the point about how usage of car's performance has become increasingly penalised (fines) and increasingly difficult (popularity of the car) and increasingly unpopular (uproar in the media against speed). So even if maxing out a supercar in the 70's was still mad the elements were slightly less against you.

Just a final question, what do you think is more difficult/dangerous to get to the limit; a Mk2 3.8 Jag or a brand new XFR? I think it's the latter, despite the increased technology, or precisely because of that.

(By the way, the Countach was a particularly bad example. Can I change it for... uh... I don't know whatever user-friendly supercar there was before the NSX? :p)

demonrunning07 02-27-2013 10:47 AM

Forgive me for being in Top Gear mode but I'm actually really excited to see how fast this thing will be on a track (that is, their track), more as a science experiment than anything. I was pretty blown away by the Huayra's performance and can't help but wonder how this would compare.

That being said, I would rather have a Stratos Stradale, a Miura, and a Ferrari Daytona for the cost of either the P1 or the Huayra. I just don't see the point in either of them.

faksta 03-01-2013 01:49 AM

View from above is pretty good, rear end is OK (minus some details), but the front and sides of the body nearly made my eyes bleed. Gosh, this car is ugly as hell! Like Frankenstein built from various pieces not corresponding with each other by any means. And the whole body architecture seems rather out of proportion. The only good thing is that it looked even worse on pre-launch pictures. Sorry, but no :(

Ferrer 07-20-2013 07:56 AM

Browsing the teenager's website of all knowledge I've discovered they claim the engine in this was originally based on the Nissan V8 engine from R390.

So actually this car has the [I]exact same engine[/I] as [URL="http://www.nissanusa.com/trucks/titan?next=header.vehicles.postcard.vlp.image"]this truck[/URL].

tpd2 07-20-2013 02:24 PM

[quote=Ferrer;998672]Browsing the teenager's website of all knowledge I've discovered they claim the engine in this was originally based on the Nissan V8 engine from R390.

So actually this car has the [I]exact same engine[/I] as [URL="http://www.nissanusa.com/trucks/titan?next=header.vehicles.postcard.vlp.image"]this truck[/URL].[/quote]

I'm not doubting you, but do you have any references on that? I would be absolutely fascinated to know if that's true. :D

Ferrer 07-21-2013 03:51 AM

[quote=tpd2;998733]I'm not doubting you, but do you have any references on that? I would be absolutely fascinated to know if that's true. :D[/quote]
My source is the teenager's website of all knowledge, sometimes known also as wikipedia.

The funny thing is, I wasn't looking for McLaren or Nissan, but rather for prewar Bentelys and ended up in a Nissan-engined McLaren.

henk4 07-21-2013 04:24 AM

is this the same engine (block) as currently being used in LMP2 cars?


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