Originally Posted by
jcp123
We're "selling" it?!? Nobody told me that...that does change the picture a bit now.
Good point, I'd presumed so because it was a 'supercar' E-N asked for and not a 'concept'. Come on Shawn we need to know
Never occurred to me to use a diesel of a hybrid in there
Why not, if you really want low end torque it's hard to beat electric induction motors.
BUT we'd never get it in the price limits
And I was being naughty suggesting diesel as it's fine in a 'concept' but WAY too heavy (curretnly) for a car. hard to "design in lightness" with that kind of engine block
130kg is pretty dang light for any powerplant
ATHT inlcude the COMPLETE drivetrain and transaxle !!
Hence why I've asked what does an LS1 tranni, 'box and diff turn in ??
With its mass-production background, it would seriously be less risky than going with a pretty unknown powerplant (i had definitely never heard of it).
Not really valid for not shoosing, Many folks in the US are completely unaware of 80% of the great cars available in other countries. So few are aware of ProDrive or many of the developers of the technology running in American race cars even . The Radical is pretty much bullet-proof already, why should this variant of the engine be worse ?
We've already identified the 'risk' and awating Shawn's comments on the service expectations of the car.
Plus, on the street, I'm still not completely convinced that it would have the grunt needed to move it at more than economy car pace off the line.
Totally dependnat on weight.
Yep, moving 3 tons woudl be hard, moving 500kg would be a dawdle
if it has ANY aspirations to performance I'm a Chapman advocate and woudl suggest lowering weight rather than increasing power as a way to success.
Or as already suggested, we coudl just be creating another Veyron !!
I'd like to see some figures on what it can do from idle to maybe 3k or so, right where you use it on the street, if indeed it is to see any decent amount of street time.
http://www.ultimatecarpage.com/forum...ht=radical+sr8
Suggests it's pretty feable below 2000
So there could be a difficulty selling it in "low-revving markets".
But is it a supercar or a soccer-parent car ?
Does it evoke passion or put the driver to sleep ?
Also we're all assuming manual box here so youwoulnd't pull away from less then 1200-1500 even in a big engine to prevent clutch judder so is it all that big a stretch ?
P.S. 4500rpm is low end?!? Hell, my car shifts at 4400!
Well as you see if you go to the above link to the post I'd already referred to, that's where it's substantially flat from - the 'important' part for accelerating through the gears. So equal flat torque over a 6,000 rev band gives HUGE tolerance for gear selection and make for easy yet responsive driving in town and track. An engine with a 3000 rev flat torque band needs twice the number of gears to achieve the same - or it loses some tractabililty.
BUT and we will keep coming back to this - what does the 'target market' look for in their supercar. If it's lots of torque how will it ever sell against the dozens of supercars already providing that ? So far NOBODY has produced a supercar in the Colin Chapman mould. My input was that with the Powertec and the approach taken in the Radical, Deronda, Lotus, Caterham et al it should be possible to carve a niche in the supercar market by offering the lightweight and matching power for the performance mated to an evocative body shape, practical interior and sexy name ( if we get 3 out of 4 we'd still be winning )
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