Ford Crown Victoria Police Interceptor

[henk4]

why does police use those car?? hard to hande?? why dont use evo or sti?? i'll be better to chase a car around a city street??

can you ever imagine any US policecorps using import cars? Fox-News will be all over them...

[wallew]

IWAA,
OK, you got me. I'm a Ford guy. AND A DODGE GUY. AND A CHEVY GUY.

Aerodynamics. Great for gas milage. Don't mean much to me otherwise. Did aerodynamics mean diddly to the BOSS MUSTANGS from the late sixties. NOPE. How about the Yenko Camaro's? NOT A BIT.

Did aerodynamics mean anything to the Toranado that Jay Leno built? Ok, bad choice, cause as Jay said, "Don't tell the Corvette guys we cut up TWO CORVETTES to make one Toranado." But using aerodynamic as a reason for better speed, don't mean much to this old school guy.

Did you see Stacey David's truck he built called "COPPERHEAD"? Big nasty engine. WITH NITROUS. Had serious problems hooking it up. BUT JUST A BEAST OF AN ENGINE with the aerodynamics of a BRICK. Did it matter? NOPE. Give me a HUGE HP engine any day of the week over a smaller engine and good aerodynamics.

Plus, big ain't always bad. My current truck is an EXCELLENT example of large. Granted, it's a fuel guzzler (but 10 MPG for a 2.5 ton truck ain't that bad - with or without a load). And mine runs better than most. Plus, this spring when the city of Denver was giving out free mulch, most people backed their one ton pickup up to a large pile and started shoveling it in.

ME? I drove over to the OTHER pile larger than my house and had the Cat front end loader drop TWO four yard buckets into the back of my truck. I should have gotten a third. I had the room, I just didn't think we needed that much. So SOMETIMES bigger is better.

Bigger HP. Bigger vehicles.

And let me ask you folks a question. I WILL grant you that none of the Police Interceptors will handle quite as well as your vaunted sports cars. BUT they can handle (according to 2004CVPI) "rugged driving (running over curbs, hitting pot-holes, etc.. we run over a LOT of crap in our 8 hours of driving per day) NOT for cornering." You EVER seen what happens when any sportscar runs over a curb? It ain't pretty and it ain't cheap to fix. I've seen sportscar damage themselves on large speed bumps. So, trade offs abound.

And in YOUR OWN WORDS YOU make MY CASE FOR ME :"And your buddy may be fast on a track in his Taurus SHO, but have you considered the fact that he's very much used to that car, and will happily fling it about knowing that it won't cost loads to repair? If you stuff your new Carrera into the Armco at stupid mph, you won't be too pleased." Allow me one tiny observation. If you don't 'KNOW YOUR CAR' the way my buddy does, then the chances are high you WILL do damage that you won't like. All the more reason to 'KNOW YOUR CAR'.

If you want to run on a baby butt smooth road course, fine. But in the REAL WORLD, where I LIVE (especially here in Denver), there are pot holes out there that would swallow a Porsche whole. The current highway construction is an absolute KILLER to sportscar suspensions. Yet the poor handling, slow police interceptor absorbs it. Day in and day out. And if you DO damage a suspension piece, repairing it won't break the bank like your example of the Carrera would. Your vaunted sportscar would NOT stand up for ONE WEEK to this abuse.

I still stand by what I originally said. Let me take a brand new CVI (or DCI or CII) and 'tweek it'. You might be surprised what is possible. Can't do 150? Sorry, but the CVI with the 3.55 gearing does that right now with a warranty. You have to remove the speed limiter put there, but that's an easy no cost thing to do (if you know the right people). Adding a blower? Not a big deal. As long as you are NOT trying to get an additional 100% HP out of an engine not built to handle it. But with modest increases, no problems. It will run all day. OR are you saying that MUSTANGS, with basically the SAME ENGINE are blowing up ALL OVER THE US? I don't think so. Otherwise, Procharger would be out of business. Which they obviously are not.

It's funny that you seem to believe that an American car can't run with your Euro sportscars. You obviously don't know the people I do. They ALL LOVE their American Iron. And they can do things that will make your eyeballs pop out of your head. Just because it's American made four door sedan does NOT mean it can't open a can of 'whoop ass' on any EURO sportscar.

It's kind of like a duel. You say your 'honor' has been impinged and demand a deul. I agree, but I get the choice of weapons and the place the duel will take place. YOU AGREE. FINE. I choose 10 lb sledge hammers in five feet of water. Not a big deal? The details of ANY type of race or duel or face to face make a HUGE difference in the outcome.

When I'm driving my truck around, my favorite thing in the whole world is to pull up to a fire truck and casually lean over and ask the firefighters "Wanna Race?" After we all quit laughing, I give them my salute as I DO RESPECT WHAT THEY DO. Humor in life makes thing so much better.

The same goes for on the net. Humor is where it's at. But the devil is in the details. Are any of you trying to say that in the real world, your vaunted sportscar can and will keep up with that slow old police interceptor? Ok, how about a race then? We can start here in Denver, go to San Francisco, up to Portland, Oregon then across to Portland, Maine, down to Miami, FLA then pass through New Orleans, LA and end up back here in Denver. Kind of like the "IRONBUTT" motorcycle runs. Still think the Porsche is the way to go? I don't. Perhaps it's just best if we agree to disagree. How about that? And looky cookie, almost 200 posts on this stupid discussion. Not to bad, eh?

[Guest]

Aerodynamics. Great for gas milage. Don't mean much to me otherwise. Did aerodynamics mean diddly to the BOSS MUSTANGS from the late sixties. NOPE. How about the Yenko Camaro's? NOT A BIT.

Aerodynamics are enough to make a 58-ton 747 take off, so i think they DO matter, look at racing trucks, they (with their huge engines) can hold of a Porsche till 100, but then the Porsche just walks all over it, engines are only so much

And stop changing your comparison, at the start you said that a tweaked CV would walk all over a Porsche ANYWARE (including a track), now your saying that heavy duty suspension makes the CV able to go over pot-holes, which a Porsche cant (well well done, in Europe we have realitivly good roads), and you also say that you understand it doesnt handle that well BECAUSE of its rugged nature

Make your mind up, you can either have a car with the same bhp/tonne as the porsche with lots of drag and poor handling, BUT it can drive accross "pot holes that eat cars", or you can give it sports suspension and give it the same problem as the Porsche, only it will still have worse handling and more drag, if you want to "walk all over" the Porsche on track, then you have to take the latter to be even remotely close to it, and then you shoot yourself in the foot

Think about it, even if you kept the ordinary suspension and made it a drag race to hide the fact it was actually a blancmange with wheels, it would still be slower because of the drag and the very nature of the Porsche, and even if you went to the pure power-fest that is top speed, it would still be slower because of the drag

Oh and PS, if your CV could be so easily made into a Porsche killer, how come no-one does and races it then?

[Fleet 500]

I refuse to accept invalid points. but whatever. if it keeps you quiet i'm happy.

You refuse to accept facts. It's as simple as that.

[henk4]

You refuse to accept facts. It's as simple as that.

I have seen this type of discussion before.....it leads to nothing

[Fleet 500]

I have seen this type of discussion before.....it leads to nothing

That's also what Rainbow's posts amount to- nothing!

[Fleet 500]

why does police use those car??

Comfort, roominess, longevity, reliability...

[Ferrer]

Comfort, roominess, longevity, reliability...

Don't forget politics...

[P4g4nite]

OK, I'm gonna try ONE MORE TIME to bring this one back on topic.
YES, I even posted Prochargers link now for a second time.
This will add between 75 to 150 hp. Step that up with nitrous and you end up with well over 450 hp. If that won't trip your trigger, nothing will.

And I'll say for the second time, managing to equal a Boxter's power-to-weight won't turn your CV into a 911 killer.
It lacks too much for it to be that simple.

Yes, IT IS the internet. No reason to be a pr!ck. And I AM a great guy in person. I'm retired. So I have the time to be a great guy. I volunteer at Habitat for Humanity Resale store. I do chores for seniors. I'm a member of the Patriot Guard Riders (though I sold my Harley and use my Deuce now). I'm the guy who does favors for friends, neighbors, relatives and strangers (generally stuck on the side of the road). And I'm the guy you want at your back, regardless any given situation. I don't cut and run.

I wasn't being sarcastic. truly.
Despite making ridiculous claims you really do manage to come across as a good bloke.

[P4g4nite]

High performance cars have always been dangerous. Just to end the Porsche thing. Porsche were meant to be sportscars from the start, right from the first 356. Therefore they were drivers cars.

I think Wallew means 'killer' as in great, fantastic etc...

why does police use those car?? hard to hande?? why dont use evo or sti?? i'll be better to chase a car around a city street??

Money money money money money etc.
Australia has some turbo all-paw police units.

And just so there's NO questions about what I say. Here's me and my 1964 1/2 Mustang, back in 1972. Yah, yah make jokes about the hair and the sideburns (and my 'No F@CKEM' glasses). I actually USED to have lots of hair. Not so much anymore.

Mate, how did that Mustang breathe through those drinking straw pipes? My old 535i has a twin set bigger than that.
No jokes about the mutton chops, Hugh Jackman has made those cool again (Did 'ja see X-Men?)
Finally, will you please please admit that you may have been exaggerating slightly when you claimed that a cheaply modified CV could outrun a current 911.
Self installed supercharger notwithstanding.

[Fleet 500]

Don't forget politics...

Not really. U.S. police have been using mid- and full-sized American cars for decades and decades.
For good reason... they need a car big enough to haul all of the police equipment, room in the back to put suspects in back (a lot easier to open the back door than to push them into a 2-door coupe), and since they frequently spend 8-12 hours a day sitting in a car, comfortable seats are a big help.

[2ndclasscitizen]

I'd hate to have to drive an STi or Evo everyday as a patrol car, the Scoobys that Aussie cops have are pursuit cars only. The AFP fast-response cars are very nice, LS1 Calais's, with leather and everything. Though the bastards never used to have anything on the outside, lights antennas, so you could tell it was a cop

[charged]

[QUOTE=Slicks]Oh yeah, doing 140mph down a race track is such a yawner

QUOTE]

Is that all slicks, I can go quicker than that in a 2litre corolla, Oh i forgot those LSx engines arent much cop

[NSXType-R]

Not really. U.S. police have been using mid- and full-sized American cars for decades and decades.
For good reason... they need a car big enough to haul all of the police equipment, room in the back to put suspects in back (a lot easier to open the back door than to push them into a 2-door coupe), and since they frequently spend 8-12 hours a day sitting in a car, comfortable seats are a big help.

Well they had Camaros and Corvettes for high speed chases too...

But I get your point anyway.

[Ferrer]

Not really. U.S. police have been using mid- and full-sized American cars for decades and decades.
For good reason... they need a car big enough to haul all of the police equipment, room in the back to put suspects in back (a lot easier to open the back door than to push them into a 2-door coupe), and since they frequently spend 8-12 hours a day sitting in a car, comfortable seats are a big help.

I don't doubt they are suited to the job, but you've got to reckon that politics do play a part as well. Politics (amongst other reasons) are the reason why policemen use here (awful) Seat Toledos, Alfa Romeo 159s in Italy or BMW 5-series in Germany. I doubt it'd be very well seen if police in the USA used a Subaru Legacy instead of an American car.