Ford Crown Victoria Police Interceptor

[P4g4nite]

BUT a CV Interceptor with a couple of mods, including a reflashed computer and a few other mods can beat a Porsche, Mustang GT, or a Corvette hands down.

Beat what kind of Porsche at what?

[wallew]

Beat what kind of Porsche at what?

Say a stock 997. ON the track, on the highway. Probably be a dead tie in intertown traffic.

The 997 is one killer car. BUT with a few mods the CVI could step into that arena on an equal footing. IT DOES HAVE WHAT IT TAKES. It's just most people are NOT aware of it's overall abilities.

Having said all that, if you mod the 997 the same way, FORGET IT. It would leave a CVI in the dust. ON ANY TRACK, ON ANY HIGHWAY, AROUND TOWN.

But that was NOT my point. My point is that a CVI, properly modded, could take down a stock high dollar sports car. The CVI, completely optioned out would run in the $25K -30K range. Add another $5k in mods (mainly an underhood blower with nitrous then reflash the computer to handle it all) and it literally would be a giant sleeper.

So for about half the cost of a new vette, and about a third the cost of the porsche you would have a monster on your hands. Yeah, yeah, I know the Mustang already is hot. I don't disagree. But EVERYBODY KNOWS it's hot. SO there goes the 'sleeper' factor. Oh, and when was the last time you put FIVE people in a MUSTANG? You can in a CVI. Granted it would be a bit tight, but it could be done. Not so in the Vette or the Porsche.

Besides, driving ANY of the other vehicles gets every cop in the area's radar up and running. I've got a buddy who was running his Mustang down I-25 in New Mexico. Got pulled over doing about 140 mph. The cop was really nice. Said he just made their 'wall of high speed'. And then wrote him a $400 ticket. He paid it. And they NEVER reported it to his COLORADO insurance company.

I've owned a 1978 911 SC Targa. Almost lost my license in that one back in 1984. I've driven many Vettes over the years. Great cars. No room for my 6 ft 200 lb frame. My first car was a 1964 1/2 Mustang convertible - 289 V8 with a 3/4 grind Shelby cam, four speed, a killer car that I blew three clutchs out of until I put a racing clutch in. Then no more clutch problems. Axle wrap reared it's ugly head a few times after that though. My second car was a 1972 Mustang Sprint. Again a really nice car.

BUT none of these vehicles fall into the 'sleeper' category. MY 1991 GMC Suburban that I just sold to my little sister and her hubby did. I had replaced the computer chip with a Jet chip. New ignition module, new wires, plugs, coil, etc. Double K&N air filters. She would do 90 mph all day long. With the A/C and the XM radio blasting. On the flats (on my way to Texas) she would average 18 mpg. Up in the mountains, about 16 mpg. Around town, about 16 mpg. And she WAS a screamer to drive.

But my BIL needed another vehicle and I was considering selling it anyway. SO now I'm down to just my deuce. The wife is after me to buy another 'car'. We will see.

[P4g4nite]

Say a stock 997. ON the track

I have driven neither but I have been part of a team building a competition track car from scratch. So I know a little bit.
Can we take it as granted that the porsche has the edge in COG, weight, throttle response, track friendly gearing, chassis stiffness and braking?
I've no idea how a CV modified on the cheap could make up for that, those factors are fairly significant to a track car.

Having said all that, if you mod the 997 the same way, FORGET IT. It would leave a CVI in the dust. ON ANY TRACK, ON ANY HIGHWAY, AROUND TOWN.

I believe modding a porche in that way would replace the highly developed factory parts with items of much lower quality.

[Fleet 500]

I'm sure there are quite a few people who find out just how capable the CV's are when they think they can outrun one.

[Rockefella]

Say a stock 997. ON the track

Rubbish. Absolute Rubbish.

[jcp123]

I've seen some pretty quick Crown Vics, but none of them had the 4.6 PI, and I have a hard time believing it'd take a Porsche. Unless it's a classic Porsche.

[wallew]

Yeah, you guys sound like all those porsche and vette owners sound like when my buddy takes his Taurus SHO to the track.

And routinely embaresses them. There are a LOT of variables involved as you all know. With a YAMAHA driven FORD. Go figure.

I have driven both the vette and the porsche on the track. You better be really good or the porsche will swap it's rear end with the front. And the vette can have handling problems. I'm NOT SAYING that properly set up race prepped vettes and porsches won't STOMP on a CVI.

What I'm saying is a STOCK VETTE or a STOCK PORSCHE routinely finds themselves being pulled over and given the proverbial 'invite to the policeman ball' by an officer driving a CVI. That they zoomed past and didn't even see.

That's all.

[clutch-monkey]

I've seen some pretty quick Crown Vics, but none of them had the 4.6 PI, and I have a hard time believing it'd take a Porsche. Unless it's a classic Porsche.

i have to agree with this... i have driven a variety of commodores, some better on paper some worse than a CV, all generally the same sort of thing... but next to the GT3 i don't think a 'cheaply' modded CV could touch it, or beat a 997 carrera

What I'm saying is a STOCK VETTE or a STOCK PORSCHE routinely finds themselves being pulled over and given the proverbial 'invite to the policeman ball' by an officer driving a CVI. .

i also don't doubt this in the least.. but then the road is different to a track.

[P4g4nite]

I'm NOT SAYING that properly set up race prepped vettes and porsches won't STOMP on a CVI.

You've still given no reason why a CV with "a couple of mods, including a reflashed computer and a few other mods" could beat "hands down" the current generation of Porsche, even a lowly Boxster has very serious advantages over the CV.
You talk about the 'Porsche' (you don't say which) being prone to spinning yet the Porsche has far superior weight balance than the CV which goes immediately wrong by hanging a heavy V8 right over the front axles.
I would estimate the track performance of a CV as:
Understeer in the slows (heavy nose), graceless oversteer in the quicks (long, unbalanced body)and slow down the straights (even the lowly non 'S' boxster has 184 bhp/ton).
Compared to a base model Porsche, don't even think about something better.

What I'm saying is a STOCK VETTE or a STOCK PORSCHE routinely finds themselves being pulled over and given the proverbial 'invite to the policeman ball' by an officer driving a CVI. That they zoomed past and didn't even see.

That's all.

So? most people don't try to run from the police.

[wallew]

You've still given no reason why a CV with "a couple of mods, including a reflashed computer and a few other mods" could beat "hands down" the current generation of Porsche, even a lowly Boxster has very serious advantages over the CV.
You talk about the 'Porsche' (you don't say which) being prone to spinning yet the Porsche has far superior weight balance than the CV which goes immediately wrong by hanging a heavy V8 right over the front axles.
I would estimate the track performance of a CV as:
Understeer in the slows (heavy nose), graceless oversteer in the quicks (long, unbalanced body)and slow down the straights (even the lowly non 'S' boxster has 184 bhp/ton).
Compared to a base model Porsche, don't even think about something better.


So? most people don't try to run from the police.

Actually I did state WHICH porsche. But I find that this is no longer worth the discussion. Some people just want to argue. The 'lowly boxster' is JUST THAT. A 997 (the porsche I suggested) has its own draw backs. But again, it's just NOT worth the effort. THIS IS THE INTERNET. I can't prove to you anymore than you can prove to me.

best regards

[P4g4nite]

Actually I did state WHICH porsche.

A 997 what?
http://www.flat-6.net/forum/showcarg...o=model&cat=22
All these cars are 997s and all are lighter, more powerful and with chassis designed with track in mind.
The CV is a vehicle designed to fulfill modest tasks adequetly at a low production effort and this cannot be escaped from with a "few mods".

THIS IS THE INTERNET. I can't prove to you anymore than you can prove to me.

I provided reasoning and even bothered to check specs, you made a highly dubious claim without any effort to back it up.

No need for tears and drama, but this is a car discussion site. Maybe you should try CredulousFordFans.com if you don't want to be asked to explain your incredible statements.

[IWantAnAudiRS6]

Yeah, you guys sound like all those porsche and vette owners sound like when my buddy takes his Taurus SHO to the track.

And routinely embaresses them. There are a LOT of variables involved as you all know. With a YAMAHA driven FORD. Go figure.

I have driven both the vette and the porsche on the track. You better be really good or the porsche will swap it's rear end with the front. And the vette can have handling problems. I'm NOT SAYING that properly set up race prepped vettes and porsches won't STOMP on a CVI.

What I'm saying is a STOCK VETTE or a STOCK PORSCHE routinely finds themselves being pulled over and given the proverbial 'invite to the policeman ball' by an officer driving a CVI. That they zoomed past and didn't even see.

That's all.

I'd like to point out that most people don't bother trying to run from the police.

In the rare occasion of a high-speed chase I saw here (Porsche 996 Carrera going 155mph on the hard shoulder), it ended when the driver stopped and called his lawyer. The lighter, more powerful Volvo V70 pursuit cars we have here were left for dead.

I seriously doubt that a Crown Vic can take a Porsche or a 'Vette- the few 'basic' mods would need to be some sort of miracle workers.

I know that the 4.6V8 they use is relatively unstressed, 260bhp is a pathetic output for such a large engine, but a cheap air filter and slight ECU remap are unlikely to total the 224bhp/tonne of a Carrera, let alone a C6.

In fact, you'd need 403bhp (give or take a couple of bhp) to match the 911's power-to-weight. Then you need to factor in aerodynamics. And then the handling. Suspension. Power management. There's a whole array of things that you'd need to do to the CV before it could come close to matching a 997.

[6speed]

My friend tried to convince me that these hunks of shibong go 230mph. LMAO.

[wallew]

I seriously doubt that a Crown Vic can take a Porsche or a 'Vette- the few 'basic' mods would need to be some sort of miracle workers.

I know that the 4.6V8 they use is relatively unstressed, 260bhp is a pathetic output for such a large engine, but a cheap air filter and slight ECU remap are unlikely to total the 224bhp/tonne of a Carrera, let alone a C6.

In fact, you'd need 403bhp (give or take a couple of bhp) to match the 911's power-to-weight. Then you need to factor in aerodynamics. And then the handling. Suspension. Power management. There's a whole array of things that you'd need to do to the CV before it could come close to matching a 997.

Kind of 'missed' the supercharger and nitrous additions eh? Which is where most of the $5k money spent on mods would be invested in. All I'm saying is what is possible. And what, it can be done in a Mustang, but NOT in a Crown Vic? Com'on. Read a little closer.

And if you guys can't spin your own wrenches, then YAH it would be more money. But I'm talking just parts costs. I've got a new IHI turbo down on my bench right now. But I wouldn't even consider putting that in a CV. A blower IS the way to go for this smaller V8. The nitrous is just for grins and giggles...

Besides, things get a little 'blurry' above 140 nicht var?

[pAinTrAin]

My friend tried to convince me that these hunks of shibong go 230mph. LMAO.

LOL there lucky if they can break 180mph, they can't keep up with me and I got a 355 SBC. I drag my buddy(at the track), hes got a old cop version