"I find the whole business of religion profoundly interesting, but it does mystify me that otherwise intelligent people take it seriously." Douglas Adams
I'm one of those who don't care either way.
Not particularly serious business
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Most of the excellent photographers I know of (and indeed some of the excellent photos) are framed perfectly without the need for a crop.
Very situation based analysis, of course
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No no, that's not the case absolutely.
It happened some times that I had limited freedom to move around the subject, and the angle at which I was taking the image was allowing me to position the object on one side of the photo, or in the middle, etc. It always take me a while that I can then crop the shot to achieve, or try to achieve what I was thinking of in first place.
It's like bumping the exposition in a dark environment, trying to shoot something which is moving, and then saying "oh damn, I have the flash!".
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I really do feel like this forum is like Bizarro World when it comes to photography some times.
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And indeed the end product may arise from creation methods you aren't happy with.
Ends Justify the Means, or Means justifying the ends
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Pretty much, but I see absolutely nothing wrong with that. Rather have a great shot with significant processing than a mediocre/poor shot with none. Not to say great shots aren't possible without post-processing, but very few can't be improved in some regard with some processing.
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That's debatable.
There isn't something objective defining a "great shot".
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What's debatable? Whether or not a shot can be improved through post-processing? Sure there's objectivity, but there also certain principles/standards/etc and technical aspects that are undeniable. For example, there's a reason that the rule of thirds has been in practice for more than a hundred years and taken into consideration with virtually all types of design and art.
I also hate this apparent line-of-thought that post-processing somehow equates to less skill, effort or ability. In my mind, it's the complete opposite or at the very least, there's little relation. Like with the talk of cropping. It's very possible I'm misinterpreting, but again, you seem to think that the only reason someone would every want/need to crop a photo is because they were "too lazy" to frame the shot properly.
I feel like I have a drastically different view on photography than most people here (the vocal members, anyway), but I don't feel like my view is odd or out of line in any way whatsoever. I just find it so strange.
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My abilities with PS or the camera itself are low in both cases, so there is nothing about abilities in my posts over here.
Once again, I do not think cropping is a lazy thing. I found myself feeling dumb after taking a shot from a weird angle and then thinking I could have it done from a better point of view, cropping what I didn't like, being a fat dog sitting next to a flower or a black wall I didn't like next to a car I was shooting.
Seriously, I may not like the heavy photoshop you did with the last shot, but it's pretty obvious you have skills I can only dream of. Cropping, editing or not.
What I referred to as debatable is exactly what I wrote, if shot is "great" or not, referring to post processing, but also setting the camera. The rule of third, which indeed works, isn't related to using or not PS and the likes rather than a simple point and shoot camera.
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