UCP Aviation Thread

[Sledgehammer]

last few.

[f6fhellcat13]

Love the long exposure Osprey shot. It's what my friend calls war porn.

http://www.ultimatecarpage.com/forum...5695962454.jpg
Showing the Iraqis how oil is meant to be burned.

Somebody already posted the frozen Blackbird, but this is higher res.

[cmcpokey]

Love the long exposure Osprey shot. It's what my friend calls war porn.

i think that won for best pic of the year in All Hands Magazine, the navy's propaganda mag.

[Rockefella]

What picture are you fellas talking about. I know next to nothing about aviation.

[cmcpokey]

http://www.ultimatecarpage.com/forum...6829149156.jpg

V-22 Osprey. Semi-Flying Marine Killer.

[Sledgehammer]

V-22 Osprey. Semi-Flying Marine Killer.

Is it in service yet?

[cmcpokey]

yep... although its years behind schedule and has been a disaster for reliability. a number of ships have had to have lots of work to even fit them.

i really can't give my own opinion one way or the other. ive never worked with them. they started working with ships after i left the amphib.

[Matra et Alpine]

all you brits can be pleased though, the research for this plane directly led to the concorde.

Not wanting to nit-pick - MOI ?
BUT, Avro, Bristol, Handley-Page, Vickers all submitted and developed designs and built/operated development air craft to the RAF's requirements published in 1954. So in parallel with Xb-70. The French had similar.
When looking at the direction the Xb-70 took and the path that led to Concorde there are major differences that made one viable and the other not.
The main one of course was the pooling of the extensive knowledge in UK and France AND of course the pooling of govermnent money

I would LOVE to have seen folding wing tips in operation

Nice try, cmc, but not totally accurate :~

[ruim20]

I'll try and digitalize the true plane prototypes that where used for the Concorde evolution, i doubt the XB-70 had anything in common with the Concorde, do why have any info on that?
TIA

Quick Search on google and found them.

I think the Farey Delta 2 was the first made and then the BAC 221, the BAC had the tilting nose like the one in the Concorde and 'bulges' on the wings in order to help the area rule.

[cmcpokey]

Not wanting to nit-pick - MOI ?
BUT, Avro, Bristol, Handley-Page, Vickers all submitted and developed designs and built/operated development air craft to the RAF's requirements published in 1954. So in parallel with Xb-70. The French had similar.
When looking at the direction the Xb-70 took and the path that led to Concorde there are major differences that made one viable and the other not.
The main one of course was the pooling of the extensive knowledge in UK and France AND of course the pooling of govermnent money

I would LOVE to have seen folding wing tips in operation

Nice try, cmc, but not totally accurate :~

you are right... but the engines, which allowed for relatively fuel efficient supersonic flight, were developed for the Valkyrie, and when the program was scrapped, they went to the Concorde. In some cases they are the exact same engines, just pulled out of the prototypes.

It was designed as a bomber and not really to be used as anything else, so i cant really see the viability difference. remember this was cold war america, we bought anything that seemed like it may be faintly effective. Im not sure why the XB-70 in particular was scrapped, but the idea eventually lived on in the B-1.

[cmcpokey]

you know what... im completely wrong. just decided to research some to back up my claims, and they are completely incorrect. i mis-recalled some History Channel. Sorry.

[Kitdy]

I feel it is my national duty to post Canada's best plane, the CF 105 Avro Arrow. I am no aviation expert, but ti seemed pretty sweet for the time - like it was far advanced - it was really fast and I think could break Mach 1.5 (2?) which for the late 50s sounds pretty good to me.

Anyways, in a political fiasco it was controversially cancelled and all remnants were destroyed due to spy fears. My great uncle worked for Arrow, and he like many other aviation engineers left Canada after the Arrow was cancelled as Avro was essentially out of business and the Canadian aviation industry was dried up overnight. Thousands of jobs were lost.

What could have been with this plane is unknown and many Canadians remain bitter to this day are bitter that this happened and that the US was involved to some extent or another in it's cancellation - the Conservatives and Diefenbaker had won an election here and they were probably more in line with the Republicans and Eisenhower down south and also wanted to slash spending, so they did so at the expense of the above mentioned.

Here's more of the story.

[clutch-monkey]

ugh delta winged planes
although i suppose canards could have helped.

[NSXType-R]

ugh delta winged planes
although i suppose canards could have helped.

What's wrong with delta winged planes? I think it's a nice looking simple design.

I especially like the Dassault Delta series.

Back to helicopters.

This is pretty cool looking.

AH-56 Cheyenne - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

And, for a helicopter, it's considered fast.

[Matra et Alpine]

Having seen the last flying UK delta wing at local airshow last year I can't agree on them being "ugh"

re the Arrow, I had always thought it's destruction was for similar reasons as the TSR2.
ie political pressure and a desire for truth never to be exposed on it's capabilities.