FIA announces future F1 plans

[f6fhellcat13]

I don't consider it to be the pinnacle of motorsport any longer, it is just a money machine. The sooner it breaks down the better.

But the tipping point surely hasn't been recent. Yes, the management's ham-handedness has become a little more apparent of late, but the $/£/€-before-racing philosophy has been going on for quite some time, no?
eDIT: I guess that is assuming you think this has occurred only recently, which you probably do not. In that case, when was the tipping point?

[LeonOfTheDead]

But the tipping point surely hasn't been recent. Yes, the management's ham-handedness has become a little more apparent of late, but the $/£/€-before-racing philosophy has been going on for quite some time, no?
eDIT: I guess that is assuming you think this has occurred only recently, which you probably do not. In that case, when was the tipping point?

from the first seventies, progressively.

[henk4]

But the tipping point surely hasn't been recent. Yes, the management's ham-handedness has become a little more apparent of late, but the $/£/€-before-racing philosophy has been going on for quite some time, no?
eDIT: I guess that is assuming you think this has occurred only recently, which you probably do not. In that case, when was the tipping point?

this season. I decided from the beginning not to watch it any longer. I know it has been going progressively worse, but there is just so much I can take. I will shed no tears when the circus would break down completely.

[LeonOfTheDead]

this season. I decided from the beginning not to watch it any longer. I know it has been going progressively worse, but there is just so much I can take. I will shed no tears when the circus would break down completely.

indeed much of the F1 fame is due to what it was rather than what it is. It isn't the most entertaining racing stuff on tv, it's the only one.
it isn't the most advanced, it's just "peculiar".
it isn't entertaining period, the whole gossip bandwagon during the week before and after every GP is probably more interesting but still quite lame.

[Kitdy]

I don't watch many other kinds of racing, but I think boringness is in all racing and the last 2 seasons of F1 in particular have been amazing with fantastically close championship battles.

If F1 dies, which iI think it probably won't, something else will rise in it's ashes like the GPMA threatened last time around.

henk, why do you like endurance racing so much anyways?

[Rockefella]

indeed much of the F1 fame is due to what it was rather than what it is. It isn't the most entertaining racing stuff on tv, it's the only one.

I wouldn't call it necessarily boring. The last 2 seasons came down to 1 point and 1 overtaking on the last lap. Sure WRC, LMS, etc. are better in terms of competition and lack of media extravagance but F1 shouldn't be hated on because of it's silly upper management. I feel like hating on F1 now is the trendy thing to do, similarly to how NASCAR is hated on because it features rednecks making left turns.

[Kitdy]

WRC is cool but has no passing at all. How much passing is there in endurance racing? Wataching Le Mans I don't really see a lot of it to be honest.

[LeonOfTheDead]

I wouldn't call it necessarily boring. The last 2 seasons came down to 1 point and 1 overtaking on the last lap. Sure WRC, LMS, etc. are better in terms of competition and lack of media extravagance but F1 shouldn't be hated on because of it's silly upper management. I feel like hating on F1 now is the trendy thing to do, similarly to how NASCAR is hated on because it features rednecks making left turns.

I don't hate F1, and I don't think it's boring, I managed to watch some races recently when I had the possibility to do that, and I enjoyed the whole race.
But it isn't the best offer out there. Every time there is a summary of a race from another category the highlights are more and more interesting, from a "show" point of view.
On the technical side, F1 is became a bit too selfish, and that's what's killing my interest slowly, and why I prefer to watch an uneventful GT race just because those cars are something "believable", as WRC (or Group N, better).

I follow Formula 1 since 1995, but since 2002 iirc the interest faded away.
It's not something related to the year 2002, just the whole circus became...predictable, and I'm not referring to who's going to win or loose, which I generally don't care about.

[LeonOfTheDead]

WRC is cool but has no passing at all. How much passing is there in endurance racing? Wataching Le Mans I don't really see a lot of it to be honest.

WRC doesn't need passing, it's the driving experience to make it interesting.
In endurance races perhaps proper passing is rare, but lapping is continuous.

If the interesting part is "who's going to win" then a computer simulated race could easily do the job better.

[f6fhellcat13]

Touring cars have plenty.

While hating on F1 may be the "in" thang to do, I feel like it is reaping a good deal of what it's sown.
I am trying to think of figures who have done a good deal of disservice to the sport and might bear some fault for its demise. I have:
Max Mosely
Bernie Ecclestone
Colin Chapman (I love him, but he did introduce sponsorship to F1, iirc)
Michael Schumacher (Too dominant. Again, not necesarily saying that makes him bad, just bad for the sport.)
Ron Dennis - He always seemed to epitomize the corporate you're-not-trying-if-you're-not-cheating mentality.
Unfortunately I have only been watching F1 for the past 3ish years, so my konwledge is pretty limited.

[Ferrer]

Rallying it's just a joke of its former self.

If you want some properly close racing, watch WTCC.

[LeonOfTheDead]

Rallying it's just a joke of its former self.

If you want some properly close racing, watch WTCC.

or better, whatever category in which the drivers are too young

[lightweight]

Bernie is supporting the teams as of today, in scrapping the two tier system

"I think the most important thing that upset everybody, they didn't like, was this two-tier technical system, so I think it has been agreed that we shouldn't have that. We should have just one set of regulations," he told the BBC.

"I think everybody is more or less happy with the budget cap. Just how much. They'll go with it higher [than £40 million], maybe it'll be lower. It's a case of just sorting it out.

"Everyone will be under the same regulations."

He added that he had his own misgivings about the two-tier proposal.

"I always thought that was a bit stupid," Ecclestone was quoted as saying by the Daily Mail. "It was important to get rid of it."

If the two-tier proposal was shelved, Ecclestone had no doubt that the teams currently planning to withhold their 2010 entries would return to the fold.

"I am confident all the teams will still be racing next year," he said.

Link: autosport.com - F1 News: Ecclestone: Two-tier will be scrapped

[lightweight]

Interview with Max Mosley on BBC, concerning the current status in F1.

Main points:
- No two-tier championship
- Exchange of technical information from the bigger teams towards the smaller ones in order to facilitate them and close performance gap

Link: BBC SPORT | Motorsport | Formula 1 | In-depth interview - Max Mosley

[smbrm]

This is all about who is in control and how the rules are developed!