beating the nissan gt-r around the ring

[blingbling]

what FMR/F4 cars do you speculate will have a chance at beating the nissan gt-r.

no one knows for sure because this beast goes around the ring faster than other cars that weighs less and has more power. i am not even going to take cost into the equation because it would give other cars no chance.

so far though, the known front-midship engine rear/all wheel drive cars that can beat this thing are the lfa nurburgring edition, viper acr, and corvette zr1/z06s. what else stands a chance?

will amg do a "black edition" of the sls amg? will the 2014 lotus elite have the ability to beat it? will the million pound aston martin one-77 have the ability to beat it? this is all speculation but i still want to know what you guys think.

the fact that the gt-r beat cars while COSTING LESS than others is absolutely amazing, but nobody seems to really give a flying ****. they do it too without the ruthless weight stripping that 911 GT3s do, nor the gas gazzling 6L+ SC pushrods that corvettes and vipers use, and you can get two or three GT-Rs for the price of a 599/FF. on top of that it is probably more reliable than all those cars because it is a nissan. it is also more weather friendly because of the awd.

i had always known this before but now it REALLY shows people buy expensive cars just for the badge. but sooner or later, more and more gt-r beaters will emerge. i just wish i could know what they were right now.

[Magnum9987]

Their are many cars that top the GTR, FYI.
List of Nürburgring Nordschleife lap times - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Oddly enough, the ones at the very top can best the GTR yet are cheaper

[blingbling]

Their are many cars that top the GTR, FYI.
List of Nürburgring Nordschleife lap times - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Oddly enough, the ones at the very top can best the GTR yet are cheaper

**facepalm**

well i specifically said that i was interested in somewhat more practical front engined vehicles and the some of the ones above the gt-r on that list are not even road legal outside of western europe.

of course anyone can strap a v10 and double wishbone suspension on a chassis with no body on it and rip it around the ring fast BUT THAT ISN'T WHAT I AM ASKING. I AM TALKING ABOUT REAL CARS THAT MOST PEOPLE IN THE MASS MARKET CAN IDENTIFY. How dare you insinuate i was unaware of the existence of these other vehicles.

Why are you designating FMR? Don't you mean front engine-RWD? FMR is a joke of a designation that marketers use to try to make it sound like their front engine car has the cache that comes with a true mid-engine car.

I designate FMR because most front engined cars that stand a chance up here have the engine behind the front axel.WHY NOT DESIGNATE FMR?!?! FMR IS A TYPE OF FRONT ENGINE RWD, so yes, i DID mean that. it is not a joke of a designation because it changes the vehicle dynamics significantly and it does not "sound like their front engine car has the cache...". WTF!? You don't know what you are talking about.

I honestly don't even know what the point of these two posts were. no wonder senior members have given up on these forums. new members are absolutely worthless.

[culver]

**facepalm**

well i specifically said that i was interested in somewhat more practical front engined vehicles and the some of the ones above the gt-r on that list are not even road legal outside of western europe.

of course anyone can strap a v10 and double wishbone suspension on a chassis with no body on it and rip it around the ring fast BUT THAT ISN'T WHAT I AM ASKING. I AM TALKING ABOUT REAL CARS THAT MOST PEOPLE IN THE MASS MARKET CAN IDENTIFY. How dare you insinuate i was unaware of the existence of these other vehicles. I designate FMR because most front engined cars that stand a chance up here have the engine behind the front axel.WHY NOT DESIGNATE FMR?!?! FMR IS A TYPE OF FRONT ENGINE RWD, so yes, i DID mean that. it is not a joke of a designation because it changes the vehicle dynamics significantly and it does not "sound like their front engine car has the cache...". WTF!? You don't know what you are talking about.

I honestly don't even know what the point of these two posts were. no wonder senior members have given up on these forums. new members are absolutely worthless.

Don't be an idiot. I've been around here longer than you have. It's not like I'm a first time poster. I've also shown I know a thing or two about engineering over the years. As I said before you got unhappy, FMR is a marketing term. When it comes to typical FR the engineers will push the engine back within the limits of the product specification. However, just because one car has an engine that protrudes 1" past the axle line while another does not DOESN'T mean the "FR" won't handle as well as the "FMR". FMR doesn't tell me anything about the fundamental layout of the chassis. MR does. So would what would we call a car that has a transverse engine behind the driver similar to the MR2 or Fiero? MR. So what if the engine and transmission are tucked in together like that of my V6 Mondeo/Contour? This would be one of the engine packages used buy Nobel. Does the car become a "rear engine" car just because the cylinder head is behind the axle line?

Sorry, you don't like the question. Deal with it... preferable in a mature manor.

[henk4]

FMR IS A TYPE OF FRONT ENGINE RWD,

May I kindly advise you to have a look at for instance a Citroen DS or a Renault 4, which had the engine behind the front axle, and were still front wheel drive cars? They just turned the engine around....There were many FWD cars with their engine longitudinally placed behind the front axle. (And yes there were also FWD cars that had the engine located BEFORE the front axle. All that changed when the transversely located engine became the choice for most FWD cars.

So in stead of moaning about "stupidity" from other forum members, it might be worth while to take a closer look at automotive technology.

[Ferrer]

Yet nowhere near as usable...

[culver]

Why are you designating FMR? Don't you mean front engine-RWD? FMR is a joke of a designation that marketers use to try to make it sound like their front engine car has the cache that comes with a true mid-engine car.

[Brix]

Why are you designating FMR? Don't you mean front engine-RWD? FMR is a joke of a designation that marketers use to try to make it sound like their front engine car has the cache that comes with a true mid-engine car.

Well, It's is also used to describe if the engine is behind the front axel or on top. FR is having the engine on top of the axel (BMW's ex.) FMR is having the engine behind the front axel but in front of the cabin (Viper, SLR and SLS ex.)

I do not know if the GTR is a true FMR for this description.

[culver]

Well, It's is also used to describe if the engine is behind the front axel or on top. FR is having the engine on top of the axel (BMW's ex.) FMR is having the engine behind the front axel but in front of the cabin (Viper, SLR and SLS ex.)

I do not know if the GTR is a true FMR for this description.

It's a BS marketing term. The E36 BMW with an I4 was FMR, the same car with the I6 was a FR. The same was true of the Jeep Wrangler with I4 or I6 options. At the end of the day there isn't a significant difference between FMR or FR. It was just a marketing term. I'm not sure who was first to use it but I first recall it being applied to the Nissan 350Z and the Honda S2000. I guess the marketing guys were hoping that people would think that people would say "it's really a mid engine car and mid engine is better!" No, it doesn't mean any more than FR done well. It's a joke of term that engineers don't bother with.

[blingbling]

wow I just read those two posts again and my mind still can not fathom the stupidity that went into them. just fail. epic fail.

[TVR IS KING]

i had always known this before but now it REALLY shows people buy expensive cars just for the badge.

Shows what you know about road cars
People buy expensive cars for more than just the badge. It's well documented, how the GT-R is absurdly fast and all of that, but lacks emotion. It does what it does because of AWD, but it's not that exciting. On the road it doesn't matter if your car can beat other cars around the Nurburgring, because you can't go that fast or push it that hard anyway. What matters is how it feels and how it makes you feel.

I'd take the slower 458 Italia any day, for its raucous V8, the sound it makes, the styling, and the RWD. In fact, for GT-R money, I could have an older 360 Spyder. And I would.

wow I just read those two posts again and my mind still can not fathom the stupidity that went into them. just fail. epic fail.

Woah, hey. Hold on now. That list is a list of production cars. Saying "cars that most people in the mass market can identify" is just you trying to cut down the list of cars that can beat the GT-R, to make it look better. Fact is, you can go down the street (figuratively) and buy a Radical SR8, and then drive it home. It is a real car.
So don't go throwing around the word "stupidity".

[PRC777]

Fact is, you can go down the street (figuratively) and buy a Radical SR8, and then drive it home. It is a real car.

So, you can buy a Radical SR8 straight from a dealership in the U.S.? Can one drive a Radical SR8 in the snowy, rain-covered, roads....almost anywhere in the world? Does the Radical even have trunk space?

It's really not that difficult to understand; the GT-R can run around the 'ring, topping most of the exotics and be a daily commute car; a car you can drive to work, college, etc. with.

[kingofthering]

So, you can buy a Radical SR8 straight from a dealership in the U.S.? Can one drive a Radical SR8 in the snowy, rain-covered, roads....almost anywhere in the world? Does the Radical even have trunk space?

It's really not that difficult to understand; the GT-R can run around the 'ring, topping most of the exotics and be a daily commute car; a car you can drive to work, college, etc. with.

To answer your question, yes, yes you can. There's a kit to make it C.A. street-legal, which is quite ironic considering California's automobile laws.

Edit: Whoops - you CAN run the SR3 as a street-car, but apparently not the SR8.

Driving a GT-R to college? I either want your life or to at least attend your school!

[Badsight]

On the road it doesn't matter if your car can beat other cars around the Nurburgring, because you can't go that fast or push it that hard anyway. What matters is how it feels and how it makes you feel.

that isnt valid to me

the Ring shows off real world performance better than any other track

which is why a good lap around it carries weight & bragging rights

[TVR IS KING]

What I would like to see is the following:

1. Some millionare go to a Porsche dealership and buy either a 911 GT2 or Porsche Turbo S.
2. Then go to a Nissan dealership and buy a GTR.
3. Take both cars as purchased from the dealerships, DO NOT change anything and go and lap them on the same day, same time, same conditions (preferably on a dry track) and same driver.

This will settle it once and for all as I believe all tests done by the manufacturer are done on cars that have been tuned or modified.

This won't settle it once and for all. You'd need that person to be a racing driver with experience in both cars. Even if the Porsche is faster, the GT-R will probably be faster in the hands of a millionaire, due to the epic traction control, AWD and electronic safety nets. Without experience. you'd be more confident in the GTR, than the RR Porsche.

that isnt valid to me

the Ring shows off real world performance better than any other track

which is why a good lap around it carries weight & bragging rights

Have you ever bought a road car? You don't go and buy the hardest most pure track car you can. Some do, and they either have another car to drive every day, or they regret it 90% of the time. Cars that feel good on the road aren't the same as cars that feel good on the track, you rate them by different criteria.
Bragging rights sounds nice, but living with a car that has horrible road manners isn't worth it. People get over it and the bragging effect is lost anyway.