another RWD TDI: The Chrysler 300 CRD....(sorry for forgetting that). May be GM needs to be taken over by BMW before they really start using diesel engines....
another RWD TDI: The Chrysler 300 CRD....(sorry for forgetting that). May be GM needs to be taken over by BMW before they really start using diesel engines....
"I find the whole business of religion profoundly interesting, but it does mystify me that otherwise intelligent people take it seriously." Douglas Adams
Egg in my face? You mean when you blocked me because you hate being wrong in any situation?Originally Posted by Matra et Alpine
Comparing me to Guibo is a complement, thank you.
This is coming from someone who daily drives a car with 375ft.lbs on tap, get off the throttle, its not that hard! Certainly my car isnt the easiest to control, but I can throttle steer in the rain pretty easily, you need to have some self control. Im sure the car you were driving was more prepped for the track than mine.
I dont believe Chevy has to be good at anything, they suck at most things but can build one hell of a sports car. But I do believe in FACTS.Ah so like Guibo, NOT reading. You'll notice that I definately give the LS1 the hands up on those last three itmes ( go back and READ rather than knee-jerk ) ZING !!!!!
I only pointed out that the LS1 ins't the SMALLEST
Shame you got your knickers in a twist by believing the lies (marketing twist) of Chevrolet that it HAS to be the best everythign because it has a flag on it ( So DO you think it won Le Mans ???? )
About LeMans, I wouldnt know, I dont watch.
I love how you back your claim with dimentions...Sorry, but as was first posted the Powertec !!
man, this is too painful to type, ROFLMA :S
Just looking at the Powertec in the pictures compared to people it seems like if it were smaller, it wouldnt be by very much...
http://www.radicalextremesportscars....runs/index.php
Yes because track racing is the only kind of driving ever.erm, well if you KNOW anyone who types and thinks like that then I hasten to point that that's not "my clan".
The guys I talk about are on the tracks weekly around the UK and Euroep and on the rally stages. Getting the best all round performance is CRUCIAL to us.
What a silly comment THAT was , wasn't it Slicks .. given that you KNOW my history from previous exchanges !!!
Yeeeeahhh, we did go over this, and it turns out I was right(LS6 vs elise engine, right?). Using the (wrong) formula you gave me came up with different resaults. I can bring it up for you to jog your memory.oh,m dear, now THAT one was done to death a LONG time ago and PROVEN that other solutions actually had a wider usable power band Proven from facts, figures and charts and NOT the ramblings of an over-ejaculated mag reader !!!
BUT I concur that I'd also rather have 3,000 band of revs of usable power than 2,000.
But that's not the reality It's NOT jsut 6000-8000 and I'm NOT going into it again, you can go read throught the DOZENS of posts where I clarfied that with facts.
Drove a WRX that litterally didnt move untill about 2500RPMs when the turbo spooled. What about aftermarket turbos, ever think of that? Bigger the turbo the more the lag, you know that.PS: What cars are you driving that have turbo-lag ? They dont' exist outside of the lunatic STIKKAS fanatics !!! That's a 1980s problem ...... well over here it is, maybe your favourite manufacturer has still to catch up on teh technology
No,because YOU didnt' like what you heard and twisted every way you coudl to avoid itOriginally Posted by Slicks
The facts are there, everyoen read it.
The comments were abgout using it on the limit.Comparing me to Guibo is a complement, thank you.
This is coming from someone who daily drives a car with 375ft.lbs on tap, get off the throttle, its not that hard!
I can drive the A610 like a pussy cat too.
But REALLY DRIVING it highlights the issues.
ANDN hten throttle control ON THE LIMIT was the poitn raised and pointed out.
Using your logic your commetns abtou "weed whackers" is stupid as you coudl always dri e it below 6,000 revs.
Avoidde THAT fact pretty quickly because it upsets the fantasy for you ?But I do believe in FACTS.
About LeMans, I wouldnt know, I dont watch.
Shamre really, being HONEST is the best policy and avoids fanboyisms
Oooooooh, more EGG ON THE FACE>I love how you back your claim with dimentions...
Just looking at the Powertec in the pictures compared to people it seems like if it were smaller, it wouldnt be by very much...
http://www.radicalextremesportscars....runs/index.php
I posted them for you in the A11 Powertec thread ( as it made more sense for it to be there than in a HONDA THREAD !!!!!
Jsut like smacking gums about the LS1
FFS, take it somewhere else Slicks
erm, You are in serious deniual.Yeeeeahhh, we did go over this, and it turns out I was right(LS6 vs elise engine, right?). Using the (wrong) formula you gave me came up with different resaults. I can bring it up for you to jog your memory.
You didnt' want to accept a 10% range on flat ( after all NOTHIGN is perfectly flat )
You refused to accept that.
THAT was why I stopped listending and frankly if you are STILL gonna bring up that BS line again then I'm getting ever MORE annoyed that Wouter removed that option !!!
So drop it acn get back to Honda.
Well on the last point, we already covered that in my comment .... fanboys of rice WILL do silly things ..... just like fanboys of cubic inchesDrove a WRX that litterally didnt move untill about 2500RPMs when the turbo spooled. What about aftermarket turbos, ever think of that? Bigger the turbo the more the lag, you know that.
Yep and so the problem YOU have with the WRX is you dont' know how to drive it.
Yes you pull away at 2000 revs and then rev it out to 8000 .... that's 6,000 revs of usuable power isn't it ? So you like to pull from 1000 in a vette and pull it out to 6000 ..... still struggling with the whoel concept of USABLE POWER RANGE and stopping your bias affecting the using revs.
Be honest abotu that, you dont' liek revving an engine .. it's that simple.
I dont' have a problem using a torquey engien or a revvy engine.
You are limiting your mind
So take it to another thread or make comments ABOUT HONDA. FFS
"A woman without curves is like a road without bends, you might get to your destination quicker but the ride is boring as hell'
I have to agree that the I4 VTEC engines sound bloody awful at 8000rpm, although I think its the exhaust thats the problem. A chavtastic civic with a "sports" exhaust sounded like it was going to tear the earth in two when it hit 8000rpm but he was in first and ended up looking stupid. 20 mph.
Riiiight, so you blocked me?Originally Posted by Matra et Alpine
Obveoulsy you want to control the car, that means you might not be driving at the limit.The comments were abgout using it on the limit.
I can drive the A610 like a pussy cat too.
But REALLY DRIVING it highlights the issues.
ANDN hten throttle control ON THE LIMIT was the poitn raised and pointed out.
I said it sounded like a weedwaker at any RPM.Using your logic your commetns abtou "weed whackers" is stupid as you coudl always dri e it below 6,000 revs.
And your not going to be getting anywere fast under 6000RPMs (not like you would be getting anywere fast anyway )
What fact? The LeMans? How am I going to comment on something that dont know about. Im not the one that brought up LeMans in that rotary vs LS2 thread (if thats where you got the idea).Avoidde THAT fact pretty quickly because it upsets the fantasy for you ?
Shamre really, being HONEST is the best policy and avoids fanboyisms
Uhhh... what powertec thread are you talking about?Oooooooh, more EGG ON THE FACE>
I posted them for you in the A11 Powertec thread ( as it made more sense for it to be there than in a HONDA THREAD !!!!!
Jsut like smacking gums about the LS1
FFS, take it somewhere else Slicks
Thats because I mistakenly used the hp curve, and not the torque curve (whos falt that was, I dont remember). Using the torque curve like originally intended the LS6 came out on top.erm, You are in serious deniual.
You didnt' want to accept a 10% range on flat ( after all NOTHIGN is perfectly flat )
You refused to accept that.
THAT was why I stopped listending and frankly if you are STILL gonna bring up that BS line again then I'm getting ever MORE annoyed that Wouter removed that option !!!
So drop it acn get back to Honda.
huh? That was a stock (02?) WRX. Theres no "not knowing how to drive it." The FACT of the matter is the car doesnt go until the turbo spools, just showing you that cars DO have turbo lag nowadays.Well on the last point, we already covered that in my comment .... fanboys of rice WILL do silly things ..... just like fanboys of cubic inches
Yep and so the problem YOU have with the WRX is you dont' know how to drive it.
And instead of revving it high, popping the clutch (and damaging the tranny) I rather go from a roll...
8000??????Yes you pull away at 2500 revs and then rev it out to 8000 .... that's 6,000 revs of usuable power isn't it ?
Try 7000RPMs, and the car really didnt start to pick up until 3500RPMs.
Of course, idle to redline isnt usable, because it doesnt favor your high revving nature right?So you like to pull from 1000 in a vette and pull it out to 6000 ..... still struggling with the whoel concept of USABLE POWER RANGE and stopping your bias affecting the using revs.
We've been over this, I dont like a peaky engine, I much PREFER one thats not.Be honest abotu that, you dont' liek revving an engine .. it's that simple.
I dont' have a problem using a torquey engien or a revvy engine.
You are limiting your mind
I think you MEAN you don't liek revvy engines ?Originally Posted by Slicks
Low revving engines can be peaky and high revving engines can be smooth.
"A woman without curves is like a road without bends, you might get to your destination quicker but the ride is boring as hell'
Theres a trade off here thats made in engines. An engine tuned for low end torque is going to lose horsepower at higher RPMs, while an engine tuned for high rpm power is going to lack low speed torque. The usual method of overcoming this is the use of big displacement engines (v8) to provide enough grunt at low rpms and still pull hard up high. The fact that honda replaced this thinking with VTEC is a testimate to their enginuity and dedication to produce the best product possible.
Also, ALL CARS ARE LOUD. The sooner you realise this, the sooner you can get over hondas with loud exausts. a V8 with a free-flowing exaust will be just as loud, if not louder, then a honda with one, the ear splitting noice these engines make is the fault of the owner, not the engine.
Should've rephrased that...Originally Posted by henk4
Any other diesels that are RWD and sold in America?
BTW I thought "TDI" was VW specific?
I dont like peaky engines. Got it?Originally Posted by Matra et Alpine
You could call the LS7 "revvy" with its 7000RPM redline, but it certainly isnt peaky.
Uhh, youve got some things mixed up. VTEC engines STILL lack lack end torque. Plain and simple VTEC as a "performance enhancer" is just marketing. In it self its genious because of the fact that it worked(the marketing), all the kids are running around wanting little economy cars with VTEC because its "so advanced."Originally Posted by SLoppYJeeP
And Im NOT talking about loudness of the engine. Did you even watch the video I posted? It has nothing to do with loudness, but rather SOUND.
Listen to this:
http://videos.streetfire.net/Player....DCDED237E9&p=0
Its loud, and it sounds AMAZING.
Now listen to this:
http://videos.streetfire.net/categor...350950BDFF.htm
I could have recorded that with my weedwaker and no one would know the difference.
umm i like Honda but i gotta add somthing, as of now they are the only manufacturer in that leagueOriginally Posted by zeta
oh no before i watch these vids there either drag racing, street racing or burnouts in a parking lot right?Originally Posted by Slicks
EDIT: haha a driveway (my friend is always on that site )
Last edited by The_Canuck; 04-05-2006 at 07:31 PM.
Acctually...Im afriad Slicks that you couldn't be more wrong if you tried. The VTEC system is NOT a marketing joke, it is acctually a very complicated system that imploys a 3rd cam with a high rpm profile. This allows the normal cam shafts to be tuned for acceptable low and midrange power and partial throttle fuel saving. I say "acceptable" because this is a 2.0 (give or take) liter engine we are talking about, and the torque gains are going to be relative to its displacement. (Read: VTEC wont make up for the extra 3.0 litres a large v8 has, BUT, it will boost performance signifigantly over other 2.0 liter engines). This torque allows a honda engine to be used with out reving it to its limits, it has plenty of torque to pull around town at low rmps. The VTEC system accomplishes this by adjusting the opening/closing times of the valves, even allowing the valves to open seperatly or not at all to promote an efficent swirling of the gas and O2 mixture. At high rpms, the system kicks in the all out high cam profile for high rpm power. beat that!
Like GTI?Originally Posted by Slicks
No, they used that acronym, Mercedes uses CDI, PSA/Ford uses HDI or TDCI, and BMW simply "d". The only difference between the VW engines and the rest is that all use a common rail injection system, while VW is using a pump nozzle system for the time being. However they have annouced that they will also switch to Common Rail, as it is more easier to control in terms of noise and emissions.
The Mercedes 320 CDI is sold in the USA. You can find a nice story on their websites about a distance record that 3 of those cars set in May 2005, somewhere on a track in the States, averaging about 225 kph to be followed by a 1000 km trip (one fuelload) to somewhere in Florida, averaging about 40 mpg.
If you (the USA) would be ready for it you could get the BMW, Mercedes and Audi V8s with mindboggling amounts of torque, which would be exactly what you describe as being your ideal engine. Prejudice about diesel engines in your country is still preventing that happening.
BTW Honda has developed its own 2.2 litre CRDi engine, which has got a good reputation too.
Last edited by henk4; 04-05-2006 at 10:07 PM.
"I find the whole business of religion profoundly interesting, but it does mystify me that otherwise intelligent people take it seriously." Douglas Adams
I know what VTEC is an how it works.Originally Posted by SLoppYJeeP
Ive driven a few Honda I4 VTECs have you? And more importantly, if you have, have you driven anything else?
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