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    2007 Formula One Brazilian Grand Prix

    The curtain comes down on the 2007 Formula One season this weekend, as the Interlagos circuit in Sao Paolo plays host to the most eagerly anticipated season finales in memory. Three drivers go into the race weekend with a shot at the title with rookie Lewis Hamilton leading the way from reigning champ Fernando Alonso with Kimi Raikkonen waiting in the wings to take advantage of any McLaren mishaps.

    In a season dogged by controversy there may be one final twist as it was announced that championship leader Lewis Hamilton is under investigation from the FIA stewards after reportedly breaching wet tyre regulations in first practice. Sporting Regulation 25.3 states that "No driver may use more than one set of wet weather or extreme weather tyres during P1 and P2." Apparently Hamilton, along with Button and Sato, used more than one set of the 'intermediate' tyre during a damp first session. All three could possibly receive grid place penalties. It would be a shame to see the title battle potentially hampered by such a silly mistake from the team rather than by something that happens out on the track.

    Out on the track Kimi Raikkonen was the fastest man during the first practice session with Hamilton seemingly struggling on an unfamiliar track down in 5th place. Fernando Alonso meanwhile chose to save his tyres and engine by not setting a single timed lap, just a quick installation lap. However, the size of the task facing Raikkonen and Ferrari was made apparent in the second session as Hamilton and Alonso finished first and second on the time sheets with Kimi down in fourth. With that kind of form from McLaren, Ferrari will need McLaren to hit major problems in the race because even winning the race will not guarantee Kimi the title if Lewis and Fernando finish strongly.

    Practice One Times

    01 K. Räikkönen Ferrari 1:19.580 9 laps
    02 F. Massa Ferrari 1:20.062 10 laps
    03 H. Kovalainen Renault 1:20.829 19 laps
    04 N. Rosberg Williams 1:21.064 14 laps
    05 L. Hamilton McLaren 1:21.121 10 laps
    06 R. Schumacher Toyota 1:21.243 22 laps
    07 S. Vettel Scuderia Toro Rosso 1:21.598 22 laps
    08 M. Webber Red Bull 1:22.104 12 laps
    09 J. Trulli Toyota 1:22.104 26 laps
    10 V. Liuzzi Scuderia Toro Rosso 1:22.250 17 laps
    11 R. Barrichello Honda 1:22.434 23 laps
    12 J. Button Honda 1:22.477 22 laps
    13 D. Coulthard Red Bull 1:22.667 16 laps
    14 T. Sato Super Aguri 1:22.929 19 laps
    15 A. Sutil Spyker F1 1:23.248 30 laps
    16 K. Nakajima Williams 1:23.261 26 laps
    17 A. Davidson Super Aguri 1:23.551 20 laps
    18 S. Yamamoto Spyker F1 1:24.366 25 laps
    19 N. Heidfeld BMW no time 1 laps
    20 R. Kubica BMW no time 1 laps
    21 F. Alonso McLaren no time 1 laps
    22 G. Fisichella Renault no time 2 laps

    Practice Two Times

    01 L. Hamilton McLaren 1:12.767 27 laps
    02 F. Alonso McLaren 1:12.889 28 laps
    03 F. Massa Ferrari 1:13.075 30 laps
    04 K. Räikkönen Ferrari 1:13.112 30 laps
    05 G. Fisichella Renault 1:13.579 22 laps
    06 R. Kubica BMW 1:13.587 34 laps
    07 N. Rosberg Williams 1:13.655 33 laps
    08 K. Nakajima Williams 1:13.664 38 laps
    09 D. Coulthard Red Bull 1:13.706 30 laps
    10 N. Heidfeld BMW 1:13.785 44 laps
    11 R. Schumacher Toyota 1:13.829 29 laps
    12 H. Kovalainen Renault 1:13.879 28 laps
    13 R. Barrichello Honda 1:13.892 45 laps
    14 J. Button Honda 1:14.095 44 laps
    15 V. Liuzzi Scuderia Toro Rosso 1:14.152 33 laps
    16 J. Trulli Toyota 1:14.179 25 laps
    17 S. Vettel Scuderia Toro Rosso 1:14.409 37 laps
    18 T. Sato Super Aguri 1:14.431 27 laps
    19 A. Davidson Super Aguri 1:14.477 31 laps
    20 M. Webber Red Bull 1:14.543 35 laps
    21 A. Sutil Spyker F1 1:15.095 35 laps
    22 S. Yamamoto Spyker F1 1:15.715 32 laps
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    How many professional aerodynamic engineers, or anyone with detailed knowledge of this field are on this site? The McLaren front wing is a puzzle.

    Starting on the straight, the center of the front wing is high. It takes a certain speed before it dips almost out of sight. Now, the car is very fast.

    As soon as the braking starts, it pops up fast. It is the position for all corners, at all speeds.

    Questions:

    1 - Are the flow patterns at the different heights significantly enough ?

    2 - What does the movement occur on? Torsion on the end plates is obvious answer - is that correct?

    3 - The end plates are wide front to back - needed for down force at front. Do they get enough torsion from the mobile mid-section to reduce drag on the straights?

    4 - A significant force keeps the mid-section down. That is gone at the corners, the mid- section is in the highest level, different flow pattern. Is that enough to follow another car at the corners, without losing much grip?

    5 - Does this mean the car has different front wings for the fastest segments and the slowest speeds?

    6 - Do these changes give racing advantage? Canada, USA and Monza.

    7 - What do the F1 people think the up and down movement of the mid-section occurs on - springs? That carbon fiber is very strong - it has to move on something.

    So, any thoughts people - experts or not in the field of aerodynamics!

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    I see that Honda, McLaren and Super Aguri have been fined 15,000 Euros apiece for using more than one set of wet tyres during a test session.

    At what point is Ferrari's penalty of 30,000 Euro (15,000 per driver) for starting the Japanese GP on the wrong tyres, in direct violation of the race stewards, to be announced? (Or, indeed, investigated?)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pandian View Post
    How many professional aerodynamic engineers, or anyone with detailed knowledge of this field are on this site? The McLaren front wing is a puzzle.

    Starting on the straight, the center of the front wing is high. It takes a certain speed before it dips almost out of sight. Now, the car is very fast.

    As soon as the braking starts, it pops up fast. It is the position for all corners, at all speeds.

    Questions:

    1 - Are the flow patterns at the different heights significantly enough ?

    2 - What does the movement occur on? Torsion on the end plates is obvious answer - is that correct?

    3 - The end plates are wide front to back - needed for down force at front. Do they get enough torsion from the mobile mid-section to reduce drag on the straights?

    4 - A significant force keeps the mid-section down. That is gone at the corners, the mid- section is in the highest level, different flow pattern. Is that enough to follow another car at the corners, without losing much grip?

    5 - Does this mean the car has different front wings for the fastest segments and the slowest speeds?

    6 - Do these changes give racing advantage? Canada, USA and Monza.

    7 - What do the F1 people think the up and down movement of the mid-section occurs on - springs? That carbon fiber is very strong - it has to move on something.

    So, any thoughts people - experts or not in the field of aerodynamics!
    The wing deflects due to aero load. Same idea you see on airplane. The movement are more likely to be caused by the main planes(not endplates) of the wing. As the wing is only supported at the center struts, as the speed increases the aeroload increases, and the 2 sides(left and right of the center support) assumes a condition not too dissimilar to a cantilever beam under distributed load. With F1 car's wing made of composite material, specific sections of the wing can be lay-up to different structure and assumes different property(read, amount of deflection, unlike a uniform, homogeneous material). All the process obiviously have been studied in windtunnel and CFD/Aeroelasticity simulation. While material like carbon fiber is very strong, they can be engineered to specific need of the team, as the loading we are talking about is very high at speed(>1000lb is my guess). The bending is not the only movement occurs, the wing profile is most likely changing as well, as it may trim itself out at speed(reduce angle of attack, makes less downforce, and kills drag), while the slot-gap between planes reduces as well, achieving the same effect. This is effectively movable aero, only it is not disallowed by the wording of the rule as any engineer will tell you, everything will deflect under load, so the rule book builds in a static test criteria for deflection, which can be engineered to pass(a la floor spring of Ferrari and BMW), and the test are a poor representation of on track actual aero load(pointload vs distributed load, and cannot test individual axis of deflection).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Coventrysucks View Post
    I see that Honda, McLaren and Super Aguri have been fined 15,000 Euros apiece for using more than one set of wet tyres during a test session.

    At what point is Ferrari's penalty of 30,000 Euro (15,000 per driver) for starting the Japanese GP on the wrong tyres, in direct violation of the race stewards, to be announced? (Or, indeed, investigated?)
    It does raise questions doesn't it?

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    While all the talk around the F1 paddock this week has been about the 3-way title race, the forgotten man in all of the hype and excitement stepped forward to claim pole position. Felipe Massa delighted the passionate home fans with a fine lap in Q3 to put himself in P1 in his own back yard. Crucially though, in terms of the title race at least, Lewis Hamilton will be right alongside Massa on the front row, cementing his place as favourite to take his first WDC with his two main rivals both on the second row.

    It took a fantastic lap from Hamilton to overhaul Raikkonen as it looked set to be an all Ferrari front row, and it's a huge blow to the Finn's chances to be outside the top two. Fernando Alonso will also be disappointed with his performance down in fourth place. It looked as though he was struggling to get the best out of the softer compound tyre, as when they came in to pit toward the end of Q3 Alonso's tyres were noticeably more grained and worn than those of his competitors. Of course, it remains to be seen how the fuel strategies will play out. Massa will certainly be the lightest of the top four, but is Alonso heavier than Hamilton or Raikkonen? He'll need to be if he's gonna stand a realistic chance of holding on to his crown.

    Webber was one of the stars of qualifying with an excellent fifth place, ahead of the two BMWs, Trulli, Coulthard and Rosberg in the top 10. Barrichello put in one of his strongest performances of the season in front of his home fans by coming 11th. He'll need to produce something special if he's to avoid his first point-less season of his career. The other stories of the qualifying were a poor showing from Heikki Kovalainen, ending up down in 17th after a mistake in Q1, and Nakajima struggling in his first Grand Prix weekend for Williams. But really the focus is on the pointy end of the grid, even more so than usual with things so desperately close at the top. Tomorrow promises to be a tense, nervous and hopefully thrilling climax to the season.

    Qualifying Result

    1. Massa
    2. Hamilton
    3. Raikkonen
    4. Alonso
    5. Webber
    6. Heidfeld
    7. Kubica
    8. Coulthard
    9. Trulli
    10. Rosberg
    11. Barrichello
    12. Fisichella
    13. Vettel
    14. Liuzzi
    15. Schumacher
    16. Button
    17. Kovalainen
    18. Sato
    19. Nakajima
    20. Davison
    21. Sutil
    22. Yamamoto
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    Alonso is in fourth. The specially appointed scrutineer is obviously biased as well towards Hamilton and everybody has it in for him...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Street_Dreamer View Post
    Alonso is in fourth. The specially appointed scrutineer is obviously biased as well towards Hamilton and everybody has it in for him...
    Apparently he is not even a technical expert, so he probably wouldn't be able to tell if McLaren were interfering with Alonso's car anyway.

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    f**k Massa is going to block Hamilton, I know it.

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    Any real-world employer would fire a black-mailing employee, if the employer does not yield to the threat. That F. Alonso is still there is astounding; at the least this can be called CHARITY. Alonso is a great driver; his whining ensures that he will never have the respect previous champs will always have.

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    Who else thinks Massa will take Hamo out at the first chicane??
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    Alonso would take Lewis out before anyone else would....but I don't think anyone will take someone else out purposely.

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    Can you imagine the sh** fight that would happen if ANYONE took anyone else out? Personally I think Webber is set for a win here if he can avoid the carnage in front of him.... assuming he isnt taken out by a team mate himself that is...
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    Not if its a dry race. The Red Bulls are still at least 1s a lap slower than the McLarens and Ferraris. I wouldnt be surprised if he qualified a fair bit lighter than the BMW's right behind him, which will probably swamp him on the start anyway.
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    Quote Originally Posted by fpv_gtho View Post
    Not if its a dry race. The Red Bulls are still at least 1s a lap slower than the McLarens and Ferraris. I wouldnt be surprised if he qualified a fair bit lighter than the BMW's right behind him, which will probably swamp him on the start anyway.
    Yep, the BMWs have been the quickest to get off the grid all year

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