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GAZ 21 Volga

I am currently working on an article about the car specified in the topic name. As I know there are some members from the east from me who may have contact with cars like this or know someone who knows a thing or two about them I would ask them to contribute in this thread or contact me in some other way. The photos of the car that I drove will appear here in upcoming days

I am looking for info like some interesting facts and trivia and most importantly: what should one look for and watch out for when buying one. I would be so grateful if someone could give me a clue with this one as it's hard to find anything in the languages that I understand.
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I can try to help. I know a couple of sources that may come in handy, although neved had any personal relations with the car.

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Old 09-03-2009, 01:49 AM
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i hoped i can count on you looking forward to what can you get
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Maybe this'd be a handy website for you:

AUTOSOVIET - All about the Eastern cars and motorcycles
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wow, this actually comes very handy, thankyou Sjoerd. I am still looking forward to buying tips, I hope someone can share his knowledge about them with me
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You can find M21 buying guide in english here. Most likely, this is the most thorough and accurate Volga M21 site in english.

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WOW! that is like all I needed... thank you so much for these links Revo, you made my life much easier
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Glad to be of help, but don't thank me - I'm just a messenger. Thank those weird Dutch people for creating most outstanding car realated web pages out there.
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yeah, where would we be without those crazy Dutch
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I am trying to find any texts about GAZ 21 expluatation (beside that link supplied by Revo), but strangely unsuccessfully yet.
Maybe a list of most GAZ 21 versions (according to Russian wikipedia and a couple of other sources) would be useful?

First series (1956-1958), with Ford Mainline-like star on a grille (index in Russian in commas):

GAZ M21 - version with an automatic gearbox (according to wikipedia),
GAZ M21A - taxi based on a M21V (М21В) version,
GAZ M21B (М21Б) - taxi with a forced Pobeda engine,
GAZ M21V (М21В) - basic modification,
GAZ M21VJu (М21ВЮ) - basic modification for tropical countries,
GAZ M21G (М21Г) - with a forced Pobeda engine,
GAZ M21GJu (М21ГЮ) - M21G for tropical countries,
GAZ M21D (М21Д) - export modification with a manual transmission,
GAZ M21DJu (21ДЮ) - M21D for tropical countries,
GAZ M21E (М21Е, with a soft 'e') - export modification with an automatic transmission,
GAZ M21EJu (М21ЕЮ) - M21E for tropical countries.

First series can be recognized also by a drainage above the windows - all the latter series did not have it. Thus, even if such part as grille could be changed during expluatation, production year can be checked, as to get rid of a drainage it is necessary to change the whole body.

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out of curiosity, what is a "forced" Pobeda engine? Supercharged?
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out of curiosity, what is a "forced" Pobeda engine? Supercharged?
It had bored cylinders. I don't know a correct technical term for that
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Second series (late 1958-1962, 1958-1959 cars are often called 'intermediate'):

GAZ M21A - taxi (the same index as for the first series taxi),
GAZ M21I (М21И) - basic modification,
GAZ M21K - export modification,
GAZ M21KB (М21КБ) - cars for Belgium,
GAZ M21KJu (М21КЮ) - M21K for tropical countries,
GAZ M21U (М21У) - lux modification.

Second series can be recognized from the outside by a grille with 16 wide vertical vents ('shark jaws').

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Third series (1962-1970):

GAZ M21L (М21Л) - basic modification,
GAZ M21M - export modification,
GAZ M21MJu (М21МЮ) - M21M for tropical countries,
GAZ M21T - taxi,
GAZ M21U (М21У) - lux modification (the same index as for second series car),

In 1964 the 'M' letter has disappeared from the car's name.

GAZ 21N (21Н) - export RHD modification,
GAZ 21NJu (21НЮ) - 21N for tropical countries,

In 1965 one more modification took place, but the cars are still considered third series:

GAZ 21P (21П) - export RHD modification,
GAZ 21PE (21ПЕ) - export RHD modification with an automatic transmission,
GAZ 21R (21Р) - basic modification,
GAZ 21S (21С) - export modification,
GAZ 21TS (21ТС) - taxi,
GAZ 21US (21УС) - lux modification,
GAZ 21F (21Ф) - prototype with a prechamber engine ('prechamber' is what translator tells me),
GAZ 21E (21Э - hard 'e', like in a word 'bad') - version with a shielded electrics ('shielded' is also told by a translator).

Third series cars also had a new grille with 37 vertical sticks ('whalebone') and new bumpers.

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Together with a third series a new body became available. Volga station wagon had its own index - GAZ M22 (since 1964 - GAZ 22).

GAZ M22 - basic modification,
GAZ M22A - prototype panel van,
GAZ M22B (М22Б) - ambulance,
GAZ M22BK (М22БК) - ambulance with more powerful 85hp engine,
GAZ M22BKJu (М22БКЮ) - M22BK for tropical countries,
GAZ M22BM (М22БМ) - export version of M22BK,
GAZ M22BMJu (М22БМЮ) - export version of M22BKJu,
GAZ M22G (М22Г) - export version with 75hp,
GAZ M22GJu (М22ГЮ) - M22G for tropical countries,
GAZ M22K - export version with 75hp (I don't know how it differs from M22G),
GAZ M22KE (М22КЭ) - M22K with shielded electrics.

Since 1965:

GAZ 22V (22В) - basic modification,
GAZ 22E (22Е) - export ambulance,
GAZ 22M - export 85hp modification,
GAZ 22MB (22МБ) - export ambulance (no idea how did it differ from 22E, maybe an 85hp engine),
GAZ 22MJu (22МЮ) - 22M for tropical countries,
GAZ 22N (22Н) - export RHD modification,
GAZ 22NJu (22НЮ) - 22N for tropical countries.

All GAZ 22 cars had a third series grille, although first prototypes were made with a second series ones.
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