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    Hypercars need really tall tires to withstand centrifugal force?

    Tires seems to be holding hypercar development.
    Bugatti Veyron tires only last a few minutes at 250+ mph

    Tall tires reduce centrifugal force (centripetal force required) as they handle the speed over a larger circle.

    Centripetal force formula:
    Force = mass * Speed (squared)
    ----------------------
    circle radius

    [ame="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Centripetal_force"]Centripetal force - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia[/ame]

    You need lighter yet stronger tires
    Speed is car speed unless there's wheelspin
    a bigger tire radius hence tire height decreases centrifugal force.
    for example a tire twice as tall reduces centrifugal force to a half. Because you are dividing by a radius twice as large.

    Hence, we'll see 35" even 40" tall tires?
    Of course tall tires in the front would present aerodynamic challenges.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Big time View Post
    Tires seems to be holding hypercar development.
    Bugatti Veyron tires only last a few minutes at 250+ mph

    Tall tires reduce centrifugal force (centripetal force required) as they handle the speed over a larger circle. A bigger tire radius hence tire height decreases centrifugal force. For example a tire twice as tall reduces centrifugal force to a half. Because you are dividing by a radius twice as large.
    A larger tire/wheel combination having greater mass in rotation contradicts your reductio ad absurdum assertion.

    Quote Originally Posted by Big time View Post
    Hence, we'll see 35" even 40" tall tires?
    No, and not just because of packaging limitations. No development because there's no practical application. Though there are these:
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    a 40" wheel will introduce huge mass as csl77 says and especially wont be any use for corners THe old school physics lesson of sitting in a chair holding a spinning bicycle wheel will demonstrate why.
    Then the aero impact of big is bad
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    My guess would be brake requirements pushing the size of the wheels up.
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    it make sense from a stability stand point but computers and all that can't aid in it. cars have gyroscopic sensors and accomandate accordingly. the problem with the tires for the veyron is that they have to do 250+ mph and remain street legal. that's what is so difficult. race cars see those speeds on tires or close to it. LeMans cars used to get up to 240mph back in the day.
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    Well, to a point, tire size will effect mass. We now have carbon composite wheels (made specifically for the next Shelby Super Car), that are significantly lighter, and thus you can have a much larger wheel for similar or even lighter weight.
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    but the TYRE you cant change as as it's at the extremities, the effect it has on stability if larger
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    Force does not equal mass times speed (squared), it equals mass times acceleration, two different but related things. So the fact that you said that as fact; and have been proven wrong as a result; defeats the premise of your post. I already know your argument will be well its mass times speed squared over two, no big difference but there is a difference.
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