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    Hey

    Neither Top Gears will be thrashing P 4/5 Competizione.

    Interestingly in race form she is restricted to about 425hp whereas her street version could easily have 150 more hp. Even with less hp on a race course she would leave streetcars behind as she has MUCH more downforce.

    Her "Stradale/Scuderia" version should be very interesting.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Napolis View Post
    Hey

    Neither Top Gears will be thrashing P 4/5 Competizione.
    a very wise decision indeed
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    Quote Originally Posted by Napolis View Post
    Hey

    Neither Top Gears will be thrashing P 4/5 Competizione.

    Interestingly in race form she is restricted to about 425hp whereas her street version could easily have 150 more hp. Even with less hp on a race course she would leave streetcars behind as she has MUCH more downforce.

    Her "Stradale/Scuderia" version should be very interesting.
    Wise, indeed! Though I do recall a "special" Stig bringing the FXX to JC, Hamster, and Capt. Slow, so maybe a similar appearance could be arrainged with a certain (Finnish) driver with the initials "MS" playing the silent racer this time instead of the other "MS." I can see it now: The Stig breaks his leg in an accident at Silverstone, so you have a special guest Stig (Salo) to lap the P4/5's, an interview with both the driver(s) and Mr. G, followed by a lap in the Reasonably Priced Car! To make it really interesting, Clarkson could round up willing owners of an Enzo, a Scuderia, a 430 GT2, and a 458 GT2 to compare lap times, and call it another Top Gear Shootout DVD Special!

    Back to the questions:

    So even with the extra 200+ hp, the original won't beat the "C" around the track? What are the respective weights of the two cars, and how much more downforce has the wind tunnel and fluid dynamics software shown you have at speed (at say, 100kmh, 200 kmh, 300kmh) between the two? I know the big rear wing adds a lot, and the diffuser looks to be straight out of the 2009 F1 Double Decker Diffuser Debacle, so it must act like a Dyson sucking that thing down to the ground, but is there really that much more downforce to overcome the extra power in the P4/5? Maybe I just don't want to believe that a lowly 430 GT2 powered car could beat the awesome Enzo's V12, but I suppose this is where modern technology and innovation has disproven il Commendatore's axiom that "aerodynamics are for people who don't know how to build an engine," no?

    I think swapping out the GT2 running gear for the (original) Scuderia stuff would be my inclination after its competition career is over, given the extra power and, I would imagine, long-term reliability of an engine designed as a street/track-day toy versus a strict racer. Not that money's tight in the G's garage, but I would imagine the Scud engine would be less costly and involved to maintain over time and the GT2 would require more maintainance, attention, and even prep just to go for a cruise. However, I do see the allure of maintaining the car as close to race form as possible (with the fewest possible concessions to make it street legal), even at the cost of power, simply because the sound, smell, and overall experience would be different if the beast were tamed too much for those NY roads. And I'm sure Mr. G's intention was not to make it feel like a 430 Scuderia in a very expensive custom suit once he has it on the road, so...
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    Quote Originally Posted by jrgitar View Post
    Wise, indeed! Though I do recall a "special" Stig bringing the FXX to JC, Hamster, and Capt. Slow, so maybe a similar appearance could be arrainged with a certain (Finnish) driver with the initials "MS" playing the silent racer this time instead of the other "MS." I can see it now: The Stig breaks his leg in an accident at Silverstone, so you have a special guest Stig (Salo) to lap the P4/5's, an interview with both the driver(s) and Mr. G, followed by a lap in the Reasonably Priced Car! To make it really interesting, Clarkson could round up willing owners of an Enzo, a Scuderia, a 430 GT2, and a 458 GT2 to compare lap times, and call it another Top Gear Shootout DVD Special!

    Back to the questions:

    So even with the extra 200+ hp, the original won't beat the "C" around the track? What are the respective weights of the two cars, and how much more downforce has the wind tunnel and fluid dynamics software shown you have at speed (at say, 100kmh, 200 kmh, 300kmh) between the two? I know the big rear wing adds a lot, and the diffuser looks to be straight out of the 2009 F1 Double Decker Diffuser Debacle, so it must act like a Dyson sucking that thing down to the ground, but is there really that much more downforce to overcome the extra power in the P4/5? Maybe I just don't want to believe that a lowly 430 GT2 powered car could beat the awesome Enzo's V12, but I suppose this is where modern technology and innovation has disproven il Commendatore's axiom that "aerodynamics are for people who don't know how to build an engine," no?

    I think swapping out the GT2 running gear for the (original) Scuderia stuff would be my inclination after its competition career is over, given the extra power and, I would imagine, long-term reliability of an engine designed as a street/track-day toy versus a strict racer. Not that money's tight in the G's garage, but I would imagine the Scud engine would be less costly and involved to maintain over time and the GT2 would require more maintainance, attention, and even prep just to go for a cruise. However, I do see the allure of maintaining the car as close to race form as possible (with the fewest possible concessions to make it street legal), even at the cost of power, simply because the sound, smell, and overall experience would be different if the beast were tamed too much for those NY roads. And I'm sure Mr. G's intention was not to make it feel like a 430 Scuderia in a very expensive custom suit once he has it on the road, so...
    Interesting thoughts and I'm not yet sure about her road kit. As an aside her race motor without restriction would easily make 600hp and without required ballast she would be a lot lighter than Ferrari P 4/5 by Pininfarina.

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    Are you planning on making her 'civilised' for the road or will she remain a barely [road] legal, hard as nails beast?
    Life's too short to drive bad cars.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pimento View Post
    Are you planning on making her 'civilised' for the road or will she remain a barely [road] legal, hard as nails beast?
    She will retain her race car feel/trim.

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    If she survives the 24 hours, will she be shown at the Festival of Speed two weeks later?
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    Quote Originally Posted by henk4 View Post
    If she survives the 24 hours, will she be shown at the Festival of Speed two weeks later?
    Probably not as I will have been on the road a bit too long.

    That is also a Family weekend in NY/USA.

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    wow. epic.
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    Wonderful audio. Who wouldn't smile hearing that crackle on overrun?
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    This is rediculously cool and the road version is cool. Do you have plans to enter the LMS or FIA GT (if it survived), or 'ring 24 will be its only voyage?
    Last edited by henk4; 03-08-2011 at 12:31 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by yuanyelss View Post
    This is rediculously cool and the road version is cool. Do you have plans to enter the LMS or FIA GT (if it survived), or 'ring 24 will be its only voyage?
    We're talking to the Organizers about Le Mans in 2012 but nothing definite yet.

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