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    Quote Originally Posted by coolieman1220 View Post
    i wish she was a stick but sadly she is an auto. i also wish i had an LSD but sadly auto's dun get those! the only problem i dun like with my traction is when i let the tail out to play the VDC cuts throttle too much. with VDC off the car is very easy to play with it steps out but gets back in line easily. i tested a new G37 and the VDC didn't cut throttle as noticeably which was nice also the rev matched downshifting is really nice along with faster shifts. what year and model is yours?
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    Quote Originally Posted by cmcpokey View Post
    i also like the TC in the G. it works very well when coupled with the LSD. for fast driving on the road i actually prefer it on. but when you just want to have a good time, it is fun to watch hundreds of dollars of tire go up in blue tire smoke.
    I mostly agree. when you just want to go moderately fast traction control and stability control are always a welcome safety net. However if you are in the mood and really want to have fun there's no way you can achieve it with turned on, altough I usually turn them off in roads I've already drive on before.
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    unfortunately, there are cars almost impossible to drive fast with electronics turned off, like if the reactions of the car aren't progressive enough to be perceived by the driver. according to reviews, obviously.
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    Quote Originally Posted by culver View Post
    It is a journalist (Edmunds). You could argue that Nissan has no control over what the journalist says. That is somewhat true but if Nissan shows them how to use the launch control so the reviewer will say how fast the car is, well that's close enough.

    I assume "Most cases" refers to the 4WD case. How many passenger cars did you have with part time 4WD? In the US we had a number of part time 4WD trucks but I can't think of any part time 4WD cars. I guess the 4WD version of the Corolla I owned would lock the center dif but it wouldn't say engage the dif lock for any performance driving.

    I know many cars have a disable DSC function. However, it's not like disabling the DSC puts a significantly increased risk on the drive train. Doing the same with the Nissan does significantly increase the risk.

    In the case of the Ferrari it sounds like nothing broke but Ferrari was demanding a new, shorter/ more demanding service interval. I don't think we could say that "replace gearbox" is part of a service interval. Then again, maybe Nissan thinks it is thus a making a good case to not buy one.

    Ultimately, this is about buyer perception, not legalities. The owner, assuming the story is 100% true and complete, is up a creak with out a paddle. Nissan doesn't own him anything. However, this doesn't look good for Nissan. I suspect it will come back to haunt them and they likely will loose sales due to this issue.

    I would add that it could really hurt the value of late model second hand GTRs. If I buy a 1 year old Accord I expect some warranty coverage. Imagine buying a GTR then having a failure only to be told the car wasn't actually covered due to the previous owner using the launch control 4 times. Sure buyer be ware but the whole truth would be Nissan buyers be ware.

    You're view is the driver got what he deserved. My view is Nissan was rather shady about the whole thing, though not technically in violation of their warranty contract. I do believe it was reasonable to assume the car wouldn't have a catistraphic transmission failure after what sounds like a few launches ("few" could be every time the car was ever driven as we only have one side of the story). Thus Nissan doesn't owe him anything but it reflects badly on Nissan and will likely turn off buyers. I don't blame him for being pissed.
    Again, all these are just your assumption based on what you read here and there on the internet.

    Until Nissan or an actual motoring press company actually post something accurate, no one has the right to crack a shit about the GT-R, its transmission, and Nissan themselves.

    A single unjustified and unproven story on the internet is not going to dampen the general interest on the car.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tocam View Post
    Again, all these are just your assumption based on what you read here and there on the internet.

    Until Nissan or an actual motoring press company actually post something accurate, no one has the right to crack a shit about the GT-R, its transmission, and Nissan themselves.

    A single unjustified and unproven story on the internet is not going to dampen the general interest on the car.
    This is an internet forum alot of people just pick somthing up and run with it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by culver View Post
    I know many cars have a disable DSC function. However, it's not like disabling the DSC puts a significantly increased risk on the drive train. Doing the same with the Nissan does significantly increase the risk.
    In many cars the disable ESC/ESP/TC/etc etc button also doesn't fully disengage them, it merely backs them off quite a bit.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tocam View Post
    Again, all these are just your assumption based on what you read here and there on the internet.

    Until Nissan or an actual motoring press company actually post something accurate, no one has the right to crack a shit about the GT-R, its transmission, and Nissan themselves.

    A single unjustified and unproven story on the internet is not going to dampen the general interest on the car.
    If you look at my earlier posts you will see I acknowledged that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ferrer View Post
    I mostly agree. when you just want to go moderately fast traction control and stability control are always a welcome safety net. However if you are in the mood and really want to have fun there's no way you can achieve it with turned on, altough I usually turn them off in roads I've already drive on before.
    with the mini i woud take it off if i were driving at all fast, it just drove better, as you know. the TC on the G is actually smart and wont just cut fuel. it will indepenently brake wheels, and controls the diff. much better, and actually allows you to drive quicker.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cmcpokey View Post
    with the mini i woud take it off if i were driving at all fast, it just drove better, as you know. the TC on the G is actually smart and wont just cut fuel. it will indepenently brake wheels, and controls the diff. much better, and actually allows you to drive quicker.
    Well in my opinion it's not matter of going quicker but of having more fun.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ferrer View Post
    Well in my opinion it's not matter of going quicker but of having more fun.
    not worrying about your back end leading you through a corner allows you to have a bit more fun. didnt really have to worry about that in the mini once i mastered the lift off oversteer.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tocam View Post
    Again, all these are just your assumption based on what you read here and there on the internet.

    Until Nissan or an actual motoring press company actually post something accurate, no one has the right to crack a shit about the GT-R, its transmission, and Nissan themselves.

    A single unjustified and unproven story on the internet is not going to dampen the general interest on the car.
    that's almost the point of a forum, and even if someone would say something very hard against Nissan, it would be affected in any way, so it's not a big deal.
    Just opinions. and this time generally well argued too.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cmcpokey View Post
    not worrying about your back end leading you through a corner allows you to have a bit more fun. didnt really have to worry about that in the mini once i mastered the lift off oversteer.
    Well it's all part of the fun controlling the car for me. A bit of power oversteer here a bit of opposite lock there. And of course only if you want, if you don't want to go sideways just be less determined with the throttle.
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    Quote Originally Posted by culver View Post
    It is a journalist (Edmunds). You could argue that Nissan has no control over what the journalist says. That is somewhat true but if Nissan shows them how to use the launch control so the reviewer will say how fast the car is, well that's close enough.
    No, that's usual journalistic license.
    Frankly Nissan shoudl send every bill for the problem to the journo.
    I'm betting 100:1 that Nissan didn't explain it as such .... and they woudl presume they were talking to a sensible experienced driver !!
    So really, it's a comment that should be ignored and NOT taken ahead of the owners manual under ANY circumstances.
    I assume "Most cases" refers to the 4WD case. How many passenger cars did you have with part time 4WD?
    Renault Espace Quadra ... on cold days the VC was near solid until you got some serious heat into it ... major flaw
    Ford thing daughter borrows for towing horses. It's COVERED in lables about what NOT to do when using locked 4WD. You can feel the "tension" in the driveshafts through the steering .
    I guess the 4WD version of the Corolla I owned would lock the center dif but it wouldn't say engage the dif lock for any performance driving.
    Mecahnical engagement ? Old COrolla ?? I'm betting you COUDL engage the diff lock .. and it woudl wear things out fast
    I know many cars have a disable DSC function. However, it's not like disabling the DSC puts a significantly increased risk on the drive train. Doing the same with the Nissan does significantly increase the risk.
    It DOES, if the driver is idiotic enough to drive it harshly.
    THe Subaru case was already cited
    BTW, is it not just ONE box that's died this way ? So where is "signifiant" ?
    In the case of the Ferrari it sounds like nothing broke but Ferrari was demanding a new, shorter/ more demanding service interval.
    Not "broke" ... but "worn"
    I don't think we could say that "replace gearbox" is part of a service interval. Then again, maybe Nissan thinks it is thus a making a good case to not buy one.
    Replace gearbox IS a "service interval" IF you drive a car like a race car 24/7 !
    WHen we rallied the Mini would get half a season, the Escort woudl get a season, the Audi got about 2 events !
    Ultimately, this is about buyer perception, not legalities. The owner, assuming the story is 100% true and complete, is up a creak with out a paddle.
    and desreves to be so.
    He was an idiot to belive a journo over Nissan owenrs book.
    An idiot for not realising "you get what you pay for"
    He's the kind that led us to have "do not lean against electric wires" labels put on aluminiumladders.
    Sadly we can't force people like that into the Darwin Award, but they deserve to be !!
    Nissan doesn't own him anything. However, this doesn't look good for Nissan. I suspect it will come back to haunt them and they likely will loose sales due to this issue.
    Doubt it.
    Most owners will recognise the guy for an idiot
    Scoobies blowing clutches didin't stop everybody and his dog buying one
    I would add that it could really hurt the value of late model second hand GTRs. If I buy a 1 year old Accord I expect some warranty coverage. Imagine buying a GTR then having a failure only to be told the car wasn't actually covered due to the previous owner using the launch control 4 times. Sure buyer be ware but the whole truth would be Nissan buyers be ware.
    In that circumstance, the dealer selling it with the warranty shodul have checked and reported it to the potential buyer and it shodul be reflected in the price.
    If it's private then 100% buyer beware ... or do you think a manufacturer is liable under "warranty" if an owner replaces disc pads with cheese slices and then you buy the car "in good faith" ?
    You're view is the driver got what he deserved. My view is Nissan was rather shady about the whole thing, though not technically in violation of their warranty contract. I do believe it was reasonable to assume the car wouldn't have a catistraphic transmission failure after what sounds like a few launches ("few" could be every time the car was ever driven as we only have one side of the story). Thus Nissan doesn't owe him anything but it reflects badly on Nissan and will likely turn off buyers. I don't blame him for being pissed.
    How many are "few" ?
    You seen a quote for it ??
    As you said, IF it was every time it was driven then Nissan can't be held liable .... if it was only once the coudl be. Which side of that it's skewed is critical. However, we're NOT seeing hundreds, so I put this one down to where it obviously belongs --- an idiot owner !!
    Do you have any evidence it will turn REAL buyers off ? I doubt it. Yes, all the anti-Nissan-fanboys are gonna say "I wont buy because of this" , but hell they weren't ever going to ANYWAY !!
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    Well, I've already said I don't think Nissan is legally on the hook. I do think that it is possible the guy is exaggerating. I also think it is crappy that Nissan includes a function who's use voids the warranty. Clearly I'm not the only one. You can justify if you would like. You haven't sold me or a number of other members.

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    We would like to hear why you claim "Absolutely perfect launch's everytime you use it"
    YouTube - Jay Leno's Garage GT-R Review
    Seems Nissan was also talking about this feature.

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    YouTube - Jay Leno's Garage GT-R Review

    thanks for that vid culver they say on that vid that the version they have there (id assume its american all considering its in jay lenos garage) comes with standard run flats which could explain ALOT in another related skyline thread
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