View Poll Results: what car was the first to have these safety features?

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    Quote Originally Posted by f6fhellcat13 View Post
    Skoda Fabia 1.6 TDi.
    Indeed.

    Also has other industry firsts, such as wheels and an engine.

    Probably.
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    Quote Originally Posted by culver View Post
    No, you didn't ask the question you wanted to ask. You didn't ask which was the first to have all 4. You asked which was the first to have an airbag. It wasn't the MB. You asked which was first to have 3 point belts. It wasn't the MB. If you wanted MB to be the answer you should have asked the correct question. We already had one newbe in love with random questions and poles. Please don't be another.
    it is debatable.
    The final line in post #1 was: Yes there was a car that did it ALL first, so maybe that has caused some misunderstanding. And having read an article about the 6.9 Benz recently I would have known the answer right away if the question had posed while I was awake...
    Personally the 6.9 is an all time favourite, because it is the only German car ever that came up with a suitable suspension for long distance travelling, but they had to borrow it from the French. Also Rolls Royce did that once.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ferrer View Post
    Indeed.

    Also has other industry firsts, such as wheels and an engine.

    Probably.
    Yesterday I read that Audi invented the TDi engine...in an Audi pressrelease about the engine of the new R18.
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    Will you guys decide on something so I know which one to vote for already?!? :P

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    Quote Originally Posted by aiasib View Post
    Will you guys decide on something so I know which one to vote for already?!? :P

    just vote for me, I even have much more safety features than the ones mentiond in the poll.
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    Quote Originally Posted by aiasib View Post
    Will you guys decide on something so I know which one to vote for already?!? :P
    LoL!!! that was the funniest thing ive heard all day

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    Quote Originally Posted by culver View Post
    FastDriver, Please do not copy paste other's work. That is a copyright violation and generally not good form.
    It doesn't quite work like that.
    Quote Originally Posted by culver View Post
    No, you didn't ask the question you wanted to ask. You didn't ask which was the first to have all 4.
    Quote Originally Posted by FastDriver View Post
    yes, there was one car that did it all first. what was it?
    Looks like he did, actually.

    Although I'm not particularly interested in poll threads like these, I think you were more than a bit unfair on FastDriver.

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    Not really. He said what was the first car to have A, B, C, and D. He claimed one was first to have each technology. I asked if he meant the first to have all 4. He said:
    "well i think you misunderstood, but that is ok. The question was for which car model was to be the first for each of those safety features. "
    Since the question was "each" then the MB was not the correct answer. It was the closest of the list but not right.
    Also, pasting wiki articles as if they are your own work is bad form. It's not a copyright violation as the material wasn't protected but it isn't good practice.

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    it takes some time to adapt to a proper automotive internet forum....
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    Quote Originally Posted by culver View Post
    Also, pasting wiki articles as if they are your own work is bad form. It's not a copyright violation as the material wasn't protected but it isn't good practice.
    a common error with "copyleft" materials.
    It IS still copyright but license is given to distrbute as long as conditions are met. These usually require listing of the contirbutors to the item and for wiki is best done by including the link to the wiki page(s).

    But I'm with your first statement as the more powerful one .... it's just bad to use other info without making it clear it's borrowed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Matra et Alpine View Post
    a common error with "copyleft" materials.
    It IS still copyright but license is given to distrbute as long as conditions are met. These usually require listing of the contirbutors to the item and for wiki is best done by including the link to the wiki page(s).

    But I'm with your first statement as the more powerful one .... it's just bad to use other info without making it clear it's borrowed.
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    rofl
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    Quote Originally Posted by culver View Post
    Also, pasting wiki articles as if they are your own work is bad form. It's not a copyright violation as the material wasn't protected but it isn't good practice.
    Bad form? This is a discussion forum, not a dissertation. We could spend all day correcting each others grammar, but we don't.

    I see little reason why FastDriver's excerpt from Wikipedia would not be considered under Fair Use (what you and I call Fair Dealing here in the UK) with regards to Copyright Law.

    Indeed if it's violating copyright law to the extent that someone has to make a new member feel less welcome, why hasn't the violation been deleted?

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    Quote Originally Posted by :Exige: View Post
    Bad form? This is a discussion forum, not a dissertation. We could spend all day correcting each others grammar, but we don't.

    I see little reason why FastDriver's excerpt from Wikipedia would not be considered under Fair Use (what you and I call Fair Dealing here in the UK) with regards to Copyright Law.

    Indeed if it's violating copyright law to the extent that someone has to make a new member feel less welcome, why hasn't the violation been deleted?
    If Matra is correct (and I think he is) the material is copyrighted. The copyright is such that use only needs to include a citation which was later added. Grammar is one of those things that bugs people but I try not to be too critical. I often type, post, then read what I thought I was typing... not cool.

    I was actually more critical of Fast for a few other reasons. First, when you get a new poster who quickly posts a number of short new threads and quick blurbs on several topics it looks like we have a novice who just wants to make noise vs actually talk and learn. I am rather knee jerk to assume that sort of thing will be followed by a signature line including links to Nieke shoes and discount auto parts. We have had more than our fair share of one time spam posters around here.

    I will also admit the new guy didn't improve my view of him when he told me I was wrong about the answers to his questions. He apparently wanted to trumpet the innovations of Mercedes (and they have a lot) but two out of the four and possibly one or both of the other two innovations were out on other brands before Mercedes. When I pointed this out I was told that I was wrong and I had misunderstood the question. Again, not a great way for a new guy to make a good impression. I didn't see I was being treated with any great respect so I was blunt in response.

    FastDriver is certainly welcome here as it doesn't look like he is trying to troll or spam. However, I would suggest he spend a bit more time learning and being involved in discussions rather that telling people they are wrong when they correct his misinformation.

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    yeah as said, the copyright isn't the big thing with that post for me.
    As usual "defence" on copyright is not benefitting and nobody will check --- all of which is true UNTIL someone decides otherwise and then you're screwed

    It was the blatant cut/paste and no acknowledgement
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