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the words automotive perfection were intended for the TVR, not for the diesel engine.Originally Posted by nota
I like the charateristics of the diesel engine, regardless of the price of fuel. That it is cheaper in Holland in a bonus, but I would not hesitate buying the same car in Switzerland were diesel is more expensive than petrol. (and where probably the road tax is not as perverse as in Holland)
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i agree that a diesel might not necessarily be slow... and in fact with the gobs of torque available, the real world potential of diesels is fantastic.
i think a diesel would not fit the character of the G. the Z is often characterized in european car reviews as an old school muscle car. the G is just a 2+2 Z, so the driving is the same. big, brutish, tail happy, and loving to rev to 8k+. it has lots of torque as is and you can stay in 6th and never downshift in the motorway, but is really happy when you run through the gears and rev the hell out of it. i dont think the attitude of a diesel suits the G in its sportscar guise. maybe the sedan, and the other infinti models, the M, FX and EX, the diesel would work, just not the G coupe.
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very erroneous application of the term, even more so than any diesels mentioned in this thread perhaps
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I would actually not be surprised if driving a BMW 335D would give you the opportunity to emulate much of the Z's behaviour, (except for the revving of course). However, the combination of the words "Sport" and "revs" today is less self evident, given the performance of the winners of the LMS/LeMans/ALMS sports car series as well as the WTC.
I will admit though that when we had the Fiat 850 Coupe in 1967 I was very much aware where the redline was (6200) and how far I could go over it, but that was purely, as I realise now, because below 4000 there was no power to speak of. (don't say that above 4000 there was power to speak of, this is all relative)
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Just one more thing, this low down power it's not exclusive of diesels, petrol engines can also have it.
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sure, but diesels have just a little bit more
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they also have more stuff to obtain that, like more turbos, direct injection and others. Just give some times to the modern petrol engines and, at least speaking of small cars, you could say goodbye to diesels.sure, but diesels have just a little bit more
it's not going to be a fair comparison any time soon though, in both ways.
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even if petrol cars have that, there low end power of a comparable diesel is still greater. and petrol engines have stuff that diesels don't have like spark plugs and ignitions....Rotary engines have things that piston engines don't have, but is that actually relevant?
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I was planning something about that event
besides, my point was that considering the similarities between petrol and diesel engines, there are parts that could be used by both but only present in on of them, being the diesel or the petrol (even if a diesel can't use spark plugs while a petrol can use pressurized fuel, for instance).
actually you got the real point. the comparison isn't working at all to a certain extent, being to different things both technically and from the point of view of the driver.
and yes, a diesel has more low end torque period.
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likewise, in august you can test out a VQ
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take me to Lorelles Grade....
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you mean here?
and its Laurel's Grade
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Laureles Grade it is.....
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one of my favorite local roads... and its only about 10 minutes away. i have made it a point that on most friday afternoons i go for a long drive by myself, and that road is almost always on the route. problem is, traffic can be heavy in the afternoon, so you have to go slow for a while to build a gap. or just pull off and take pictures.
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I drove an RS4 Convertible up that road. That was quite a change from our Mustang Convertible!
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