Mugen Accord/Inspire (2007)

[The_Canuck]

yeah, you guys have a TSX type S as well don't you?

A-Spec...no type S yet

[Kitdy]

A-Spec...no type S yet

No loss. It's FWD.

[Fuerte100]

It comes pre-riced!

[The_Canuck]

No loss. It's FWD.

Right cause all Fwd cars are evil now. You know for a daily driver it really doesn't matter.

[Kitdy]

Right cause all Fwd cars are evil now. You know for a daily driver it really doesn't matter.

...and for a daily driver Type-S doesn't matter.

EDIT: My qualm is not with FWD cars, but performance FWD cars.

[fisetdavid26]

...and for a daily driver Type-S doesn't matter.

EDIT: My qualm is not with FWD cars, but performance FWD cars.

A RWD Accord/TSX would be ridiculous IMO. Performance FWD Accord/TSX = juuuust right.

[Kitdy]

A RWD Accord/TSX would be ridiculous IMO. Performance FWD Accord/TSX = juuuust right.

I'd say that most people buying TSXs aren't particularly looking for performance and that a Type-S is largely unnecessary. If Acura/Honda were however to make these cars more performance oriented - which probably isn't a wise mood as it doesn't fit their customer base - then RWD as well as a Type-S version would make sense.

If anyone had access to sales figures (I have looked before for sales figures and failed) for the Type-S TL and standard TL we could get a better idea how well the performance Acuras are doing. I have a feeling not that well.

[Ferrer]

we get both...the accord euro (yes, that's actually what it's called ) is considered the better car but has none of the hi-po options

Well 190bhp isn't bad.

We get it as well, but as an Acura (TSX).

So we are the only ones who don't get the big Accord.

[The_Canuck]

I'd say that most people buying TSXs aren't particularly looking for performance and that a Type-S is largely unnecessary.

Nobody looks for a TSX, they look at a group of cars. You could then say that no one looking for an A4 is looking for performance therefore an S4 is unnecessary. Some people would like a bit sharper handling, an bit edgier of an engine, but they're not racing it and aren't taking corners at 50mph, therefore bashing FWD is idiotic. It's perfectly fine for driving on the street, even for performance/fun driving on the street. You think the Cooper S gets bad sales cause its a performance FWD? No, people love the thing and even take it to AutoX events as far as I know.

[F1_Master]

If anyone had access to sales figures (I have looked before for sales figures and failed) for the Type-S TL and standard TL we could get a better idea how well the performance Acuras are doing. I have a feeling not that well.

Unforunately, I don't either. But the TL Type-S is only on a 2 year production run if it helps judge an estimate.

[Ferrer]

Nobody looks for a TSX, they look at a group of cars. You could then say that no one looking for an A4 is looking for performance therefore an S4 is unnecessary. Some people would like a bit sharper handling, an bit edgier of an engine, but they're not racing it and aren't taking corners at 50mph, therefore bashing FWD is idiotic. It's perfectly fine for driving on the street, even for performance/fun driving on the street. You think the Cooper S gets bad sales cause its a performance FWD? No, people love the thing and even take it to AutoX events as far as I know.

The S4 is four wheel drive, so that changes things a bit.

Also it's not the same putting 170bhp through the front wheels rather than 350bhp.

[The_Canuck]

The S4 is four wheel drive, so that changes things a bit.

Also it's not the same putting 170bhp through the front wheels rather than 350bhp.

I wasn't comparing the A4 to a FWD car, only another sedan in it's segment.

Whats wrong with 170 through the front wheels?

[Ferrer]

I wasn't comparing the A4 to a FWD car, only another sedan in it's segment.

But it is important to know what you are comparing. Because the M3 saloon, the RS4 saloon and an hypotetical fast Accord would be quite different cars.

Whats wrong with 170 through the front wheels?

Nothing, precisely that's why there's nothing fundamentally wrong with the Mini. However putting 350bhp through the front wheels is a bad idea, and that's why the S4 is four wheel drive and why I'm not sure a powerful Accord would be a good idea.

[The_Canuck]

But it is important to know what you are comparing. Because the M3 saloon, the RS4 saloon and an hypotetical fast Accord would be quite different cars.

Nothing, precisely that's why there's nothing fundamentally wrong with the Mini. However putting 350bhp through the front wheels is a bad idea, and that's why the S4 is four wheel drive and why I'm not sure a powerful Accord would be a good idea.

All true, but no one said a Type S had to have loads of horsepower, it could be about 220 which would be fine...

[Ferrer]

All true, but no one said a Type S had to have loads of horsepower, it could be about 220 which would be fine...

But then it's more a 325i or an A4 2.8i competitior, not a proper sports saloon at all. In fact it'd only have about 30bhp more.