Lotus Elise (Series 2) 2001-

[IBrake4Rainbows]

I suppose you're going to see a lot more Aygo's at trackdays then.

[Ferrer]

[IMG]Insert mid-engined tyre-smoking Toyota city car here[/IMG]

[LeonOfTheDead]

I imagine that failed hot-linking was an Aygo at some track day.

Regardless, the first Lotus Elise, from 1996, weighted 760 kg.
An increase of about 100 kg in 15 years, with much more performance, safety and (yes) equipments isn't bad at all.
Stop wining.

[Ferrer]

I imagine that failed hot-linking was an Aygo at some track day.

I could see it, but nevertheless, sorted.

Regardless, the first Lotus Elise, from 1996, weighted 760 kg.
An increase of about 100 kg in 15 years, with much more performance, safety and (yes) equipments isn't bad at all.
Stop wining.

No.

Not when a 7 grand city car is lighter than a 45 grand dedicated lightweight sportscar.

[clutch-monkey]

headlights and smiley grille from a california?
they looked ugly there, too.

[IBrake4Rainbows]

Red X.

Still a red X Ferrer

[Ferrer]

Finally sorted...

[IBrake4Rainbows]

And lo, this is why the attachment system was invented

[LeonOfTheDead]

I could see it, but nevertheless, sorted.

No.

Not when a 7 grand city car is lighter than a 45 grand dedicated lightweight sportscar.

I bet that Aygo weights more than the standard car, even without the (inexistent) interior.

Also, the Aygo has 3 cylinders, much less bhp and therefore has a lighter drivetrain and need less cooling. Also, having the engine over the rear requires you to have more weight in pipes and the likes as at least one radiator is going to be over the front, if not more than one. The wheels itself being much larger are going to add a lot of weight compared to the Aygo.
Not only that but the Aygo is also almost 40 cm shorter.

Seriously, I don't see where the problem is.
I could even say that the Aygo si quite heavy given that a larger and better refined Yaris only weight 130kg more.
Talking about the Yaris, opting for the 1.3 liter engines as opposed to the 1.0 liter engine will give you 30 additional kg.

Now consider all the differences between an Elise and an Aygo and tell me again what's wrong with the Elise.

Surely the Elise could weight a bit less, maybe closer to the 800 kg mark than to the 900, but on the other hand even the Aygo could weight much less, given it's just an empty shell with four wheels and bender under the bonnet.
Surely there is a limit where many cars, with similar dimensions and purposes would all weight about the same, and that has to do mainly with safety and the performance you want, safety being what all cars (should) have in common.

[f6fhellcat13]

Lotus Elise
0 – 60 mph 6.0 seconds*
0 – 100 km/h 6.7 seconds*

These times do not flatter the gearbox.

[clutch-monkey]

what is the 1.6L engine out of? a corolla?

[pimento]

what is the 1.6L engine out of? a corolla?

Auris, Avensis, Verso.

[ame=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toyota_ZR_engine]Toyota ZR engine - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia[/ame]

[IBrake4Rainbows]

Auris is a European Model Corolla, so yes.

[pimento]

Actually I think the Corolla we have is the Auris with a Corolla badge on it rather than the other way around, because the Corolla everywhere else in the world is a sedan.

[ame=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toyota_Auris]Toyota Auris - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia[/ame]

Toyota Corolla (E140) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Or something. They're still pretty much variants of the same car really..

[ruim20]

Actually I think the Corolla we have is the Auris with a Corolla badge on it rather than the other way around, because the Corolla everywhere else in the world is a sedan.

Toyota Auris - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Toyota Corolla (E140) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Or something. They're still pretty much variants of the same car really..

The Corolla over here is a Sedan (4 door) to, the Auris a 5 door.

The Elise: I think i prefered the 'old' headlights, but overall not a bad evolution, shame about the weight though, i'm sure they could make it lighter but that would no doubt cost a little extra.