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Old 03-28-2013, 07:21 AM
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Peugeot will return to Pikes Peak with Loeb and 208 T16

Sebastien Loeb to follow in the footsteps of Ari Vatanen who dominated with this Peugeot 405: 1988 Peugeot 405 T16 Pikes Peak - Images, Specifications and Information

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208 T16 Pikes Peak with Sťbastien Loeb, Total, Red Bull and Michelin
In keeping with its combative nature, Peugeot has decided to contest the 2013 Pikes Peak Hill Climb (Colorado, USA, June 30) which continues to stand out as one of motorsportís most exacting, internationally-reputed competitions. Peugeotís bid to win the unique, Colorado Springs-based event with the Peugeot 208 T16 Pikes Peak has led to it joining forces with such key partners as Total, Red Bull, Michelin and Sťbastien Loeb. Peugeotís participation in this epic race, which has previously seen the Brand triumph with the legendary 205 T16 and 405 T16 Pikes Peak, is a natural extension of its international offensive which is itself illustrated by the globalisation of its sales and the success enjoyed by the new 208.
Pikes Peak: a ĎRace to the Cloudsí indelibly anchored in Peugeotís DNA

It was exactly 100 years ago that Peugeot notched up its first racing victory, at Indianapolis, the first of a very long list of successes in some of motorsportís most mythical events. Its previous Pikes Peak Hill Climb triumphs not only marked the world of international motorsport but have become an integral part of Peugeotís DNA. Ari Vatanenís unforgettable record-breaking victory on the 1988 event in the 405 T16 is documented by the celebrated film, ĎClimb Danceí. Peugeot won the famous hill climb a second time in 1989, this time with the USAís Robby Unser behind the wheel.

The Pikes Peak Hill Climbís unique course was finally entirely asphalted last year and comprises 156 turns over a distance of 20 kilometres that take competitors from an altitude of 2, 800 metres to 4, 300 metres at its highest point. The event is famous, too, as the USAís second-oldest motorsport competition after Indianapolis and, over the decades, it has earned a reputation as a notoriously difficult and complex challenge!

The Peugeot 208 T16 Pikes Peak has been entered in the premier ĎUnlimitedí class and has been given the start number Ď208í. Its sole objective is victory!


World class partners

To maximise its chances of winning the Pikes Peak Hill Climb with the 208 T16 Pikes Peak, Peugeot has enlisted the support of the very best partners for this exceptional project, namely Total, Red Bull, Michelin and Sťbastien Loeb. The nine-time world rally champion was able to accept Peugeotís proposal thanks to CitroŽn which has authorised its star driver to contest the American event for the first time in his career.

As all the different players prepare for the challenge, all that remains is for the car that will be used for the ascension Ė the 208 T16 Pikes Peak Ė to be unveiled, and its strengths and secrets are scheduled to be revealed in the middle of April.

Peugeot, a Brand on the offensive

The strong sales enjoyed by the new 208 (300, 000 units manufactured up to end-February 2013) and the presentation to the media of the 208 GTI version at this very moment are eloquent signs of Peugeotís dynamism. But Peugeotís commercial successes have traditionally been accompanied by success in motorsport, so the decision to take on the challenge of this extraordinary, mythical, exacting competition Ė which also helped to forge the Brandís reputation in the late 1980s Ė was a perfectly natural one.

3 questions to Maxime Picat (Peugeot Brand CEO)

1/ Does this event mark Peugeotís return to motorsport?

M.P.: Peugeot has never abandoned motorsport. To realise that, one only needs to look at the busy activity of our customer competition department and all the different competition versions of the 208 it has developed, namely the 208 T16, the 208 R2, the 208 Racing Cup and the 208 GTi Peugeot Sport. The latter will even take part in the NŁrburgring 24 Hours as part of the 208 GTi Racing Experience operation which was run in parallel to the 208 GTiís launch. Last year, when we announced the end of our endurance racing programme, we stated that Peugeot wasnít closing the door to a future factory programme. Peugeot Sport consequently drew up a list of potential projects, and that list included Pikes Peak. This exceptional event fits perfectly with the Brandís international growth drive and appeared to us to be an exciting and stimulating challenge.

2/ Why choose the Pikes Peak Hill Climb?

M.P.: Pikes Peak is a one-off outing which has the potential to generate extensive media coverage and which meets the constraints of the current context. It is a legendary race that has inspired all the Brandís teams who have mobilised behind the project which targets outright victory. It is also a tough, exceptional challenge which leaves no room for error. In other words, itís exactly the sort of challenge that Peugeot adores.

3/ Why have the involvements of Red Bull and Sťbastien Loeb been enlisted for this event?

M.P.: Our objective is to win, so we needed to stack up as many cards as possible in our favour by joining forces with the very best partners for this unique project, namely Total, Red Bull, Michelin and Sťbastien Loeb. Indeed, I would like to take this opportunity to thank CitroŽn for this one-off Ďloaní of its exceptional champion. CitroŽnís support is emblematic of the cohesion that reigns within the PSA Peugeot CitroŽn group.
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Old 03-28-2013, 10:03 AM
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Sounds like Renault have already lost to PSA with Dayraut's Duster actually.
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Sebastien Loeb to enter 2013 Pikes Peak hillclimb with Peugeot - Other news - AUTOSPORT.com

Somehow I feel like they need more than 600bhp...
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Old 03-28-2013, 04:04 PM
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600bhp from a 1,6 turbo, is madness. Madness like when they did it with the 1.9/2.0L T16 engine back in the day!

Remember Torque is often more important than Bhp
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With modern multi-clutch computer controlled racing gearboxes with dual gear sets and rev matching shift computers then torque becomes less important than it once was. The gearbox can now truly make up for it with more gears and no real loss during shifts.
The rules have changed.

Besides 600hp from 1.6 is NOTHING.
Remember the BMW 1.5 F1 turbo engine was reportedly capable of 1500hp in qualifying !!
1200hp for races
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Besides 600hp from 1.6 is NOTHING.
Remember the BMW 1.5 F1 turbo engine was reportedly capable of 1500hp in qualifying !!
1200hp for races
It's funny to think that these days they make a bike with a larger displacement than a 1,500 hp car they previously made.

As I think I've said before, I prefer turbocharged engines when they are turboed to the nth degree; I don't like the idea of an engine with a turbo added as an afterthought. It should be boosted to within an inch of its life.
Because of this, I'm not too hot on the 2014 F1 engines which are 1.6s that only make 700 (?) hp. If they were getting 750hp/l in the '80s, they should be getting at least 1,000 these days.
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Meh, 1500 bhp with 2 sec lag is not that useful....the engine they will have in F1 next year would be something pretty remarkable....with 2 level of energy recovery and running on a limited fuel formula....

Pike's Peak car with 600 bhp at sea level would be pretty lucky to make 450 by the time they hit some altitude....
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Remember tho RM, that back then turbo tech was in it's infancy. With dual setups and variable vane tech and better control systems I would think the lag would be much MUCH less.

Besides driving a fast car with old-skool turbo setups is more challenging and fun. The Alpine you have to constantly have in mind revs and throttle position mid corner and be planning ahead not to let it spool down. The modern ant-lag systems take away all the challenge
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600bhp from a 1,6 turbo, is madness. Madness like when they did it with the 1.9/2.0L T16 engine back in the day!

Remember Torque is often more important than Bhp
Another thing that no one has mentioned yet is that this is Pikes Peak. The start line is over 9000 ft above sea level (2800m) and the finish line is over 14,000 ft (4300m). At that altitude, a car is making substantially less horsepower than at sea level. You need to have a stupid-big turbocharger to compress the air when it's that thin and keep pushing the power as the air gets even thinner.

The Suzuki Escudo Pikes Peak, which won the unlimited class in 1996, was pushing 980 bhp from a twin-turbocharged 2 liter V6. That's pretty standard for the unlimited class.

Does anyone know the class in which Loeb will be racing? He doesn't appear to be on the official competitors list yet:

As a side note: I've been living in Denver for over a year now, missed last year's race, I can't wait to go this year! I'll try to take pictures!
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Another thing that no one has mentioned yet is that this is Pikes Peak. The start line is over 9000 ft above sea level (2800m) and the finish line is over 14,000 ft (4300m). At that altitude, a car is making substantially less horsepower than at sea level. You need to have a stupid-big turbocharger to compress the air when it's that thin and keep pushing the power as the air gets even thinner.

The Suzuki Escudo Pikes Peak, which won the unlimited class in 1996, was pushing 980 bhp from a twin-turbocharged 2 liter V6. That's pretty standard for the unlimited class.

Does anyone know the class in which Loeb will be racing? He doesn't appear to be on the official competitors list yet:

As a side note: I've been living in Denver for over a year now, missed last year's race, I can't wait to go this year! I'll try to take pictures!
The unlimited class .

Perhaps the Turbo used is the VTG Turbo?
It would have it's benefits in the altitude change as it can change its geometry.
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Does anyone know the class in which Loeb will be racing? He doesn't appear to be on the official competitors list yet:
They must have updated it bc he is on it in the unlimited class. I looked up those RS200s and they look awesome!
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Remember tho RM, that back then turbo tech was in it's infancy. With dual setups and variable vane tech and better control systems I would think the lag would be much MUCH less.

Besides driving a fast car with old-skool turbo setups is more challenging and fun. The Alpine you have to constantly have in mind revs and throttle position mid corner and be planning ahead not to let it spool down. The modern ant-lag systems take away all the challenge
Hence you should look up next year's F1 engine.....
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Peugeot reveals full spec of Loeb's 875bhp, 875kg Pikes Peak T16 - Other news - AUTOSPORT.com

875bhp at 875kg...A bunch of legacy parts from the 908. I wonder if the 3.2 V6 was the Sedomo unit from the older LMP cars? I think its kinda silly to use 908's wing though...LMP wing size are so restricted in chord length and width that it's gotta be a hinderance in the essentially unlimited formula of Pike's Peak.....and considering the kind of aero other cars run...Also it did not mention this, but I am assuming this is AWD...
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Peugeot reveals full spec of Loeb's 875bhp, 875kg Pikes Peak T16 - Other news - AUTOSPORT.com

875bhp at 875kg...A bunch of legacy parts from the 908. I wonder if the 3.2 V6 was the Sedomo unit from the older LMP cars? I think its kinda silly to use 908's wing though...LMP wing size are so restricted in chord length and width that it's gotta be a hinderance in the essentially unlimited formula of Pike's Peak.....and considering the kind of aero other cars run...Also it did not mention this, but I am assuming this is AWD...
It is the Sedomo V6 that Pescarolo used.
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