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Old 07-08-2009, 02:53 AM
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On the worse end of the scale is, I think the new Jetta? That has an electronic mechanism to make the engine sound deeper though it has absolutely no change. I think that's just silly.
Many cars have fake sounds these days.
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Old 07-08-2009, 02:59 AM
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Fake, but not usually electronically faked. Besides valves in the exhaust or whathaveyou anyway.
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Old 07-08-2009, 05:53 AM
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That definitely isn't the BRG that I'm accustomed to.
It's one of the great myths of British motor racing that there is "A" BRG.
There were many and varied shades of green used which is why so many times it gets identified as "wrong" -- eg using the BRG From an Aston and applying it to an Alvis
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Old 07-08-2009, 06:06 AM
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There is a green which is widely accepted as BRG though... whether or not it's set in stone.

Once at an Italian car show I attended there was an Alfa painted in BRG and one of my buddies said, 'hmmmm BRG'....the owner happened to be standing there and he said, 'no, it's Italian Racing Green'....and we all had a good laugh.
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Old 07-08-2009, 07:33 AM
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^^^^^ Sorry Dino, there is NOT an "accepted" BRG either.
You get Jaguar aficionados claiming one shade and Aston claiming another !
DARK green is "commonly accepted", but as I said not "A" single BRG !

Prety much it comes back to which era and race team a person identified first. THAT green tends to then be seen as the "right one". eg Bentley Blowers

The FIRST British racing team to adopt a national green colour in 1902 was actually a LOT lighter shade.

If you look at the modern DBR9s in Le Mans the Aston Team used a lighter green -- but a metallic one !

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Old 07-08-2009, 07:42 AM
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I bet you could go to a car show, in current times, in which there were several green cars but only one 'BRG' and ask 100 car enthusiasts to go to the BRG car and they would all end up at that one car.

It isn't that hard to understand if you know cars.
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Old 07-08-2009, 08:07 AM
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rofl ... as I said Dino, as a British racing follower and a classic/historic competitor I can assure you if you go to 100 enthusiaasts in the UK they will all say there is not one BRG.

I would agree that if you go to an American car show you will probably get a 99.999% accurate answer of one colour ... and I'll bet it's Bentley BLowers from Le Mans. (EDIT: If you want to point me to a car which you think is THE BRG I'll hapily explain it's position in the timeline and heritage of BRG racing colours )

AND I bet if you put 4 shades of green and one of those the ORIGINAL green used on the Napier Green then the LAST one they would say represented British Racing international team woudl be the one that actually raced in "british colours"

I agree it's not easy to understand BECAUSE there never was one agreed shade, but simplistic media can't cope with that and so "simplify it" for the audience as required.

(EDIT: Actually I did a bit of digging in US media history and Road&Track in 1960 stated
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British racing green, to dispel some of the arguments,
is not any particular shade of green, but Napier green is
preferred. Stirling Moss drove a light sea-green BRM in
the 1959 French Grand Prix. This was quite contrary to
the accepted general opinion of what constitutes "British
Racing Green" but was, nevertheless, acceptable.

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Old 07-08-2009, 08:34 AM
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And I'd bet that in today's time a flock of Brit's would flock to the same car because the accepted BRG is in context with the term. No one says 'Napier Green' anymore, that's reaching.

You had to go back to a 1960 magazine. lol
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You had to go back to a 1960 magazine. lol
just reflecting how long British racing has gone...
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Dino, you are conjecturing about a group of enthusaists I am a part of and spend time with
1960 was to get an AMERICAN publication, which explained to an American audience back then that there is not a single BRG !

the Napier very light (almost lime) green was from 1903 !!!

AND it was never known as "Napier green" I used that term to describe the British Racing Team COlours as used on the 1903 Napier

Probably, if you wre to go to a group of YOUNG enthusaists and ask they'd likely pick the metallic green that Aston used on the DBR9s or maybe Bentley's Speed 8's darker greeen as the now accepted BRG, but will compare them no doubt with the 1930s "green" from the blowers. BUT as I'd said, all woudl at the end of the day say there is no one BRG !!!
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well, in the fifties there was Cooper green, Lotus green and Aston Martin green and all shades were different
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That looks like where Matra has been dredging all his posts from.
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Dredging DIno ?

How inappropraite a comment.
It *IS* where I was directed when I tried to find you example colours and check if it was Napier or Lister and 1906 or 1908 - as I couldn't be sure.
But the most is "knowledge and education".
( After all whre do you THINK the information on WiKi comes from ? )

BRG is an oft debated item in car circles and always the same answers need pulled out.
USUALLY because ther is someone who INSISTS that they know best and know what BRG colour is on the Pantone scale
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Old 07-08-2009, 11:46 AM
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When someone asks you what time it is do you tell them how to make a watch too?

When Rocke said it wasn't the BRG he was accustomed to he made my point. There is basically one and one only BRG that people relate to these days.

To hell with Napier!
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