Alfa Romeo 4C Concept 2011

[Duell]

This thread looks Hide out worthy !


And about the car, I don't know. It has some nice lines, but it doesn't look coherent enough. But maybe in real life, it will look really nice.

The specs are

[Duell]

Alfa Romeo 4C

[Ferrer]

I think the un-italian styling has to have something to do with being a X-Bow Coupe (which is what it is isn't it?).

In any case, if the price is right and they can figure out a way to put a third pedal left of the brake, I'm certainly interested.

[RacingManiac]

Is it actually a X-bow coupe? Doesn't X-bow uses a VW engine?

[Ferrer]

Ok a X-Bow Coupé with a Fiat powertrain.

I think it uses the same Dallara chasis than the KTM car, doesn't it?

[LeonOfTheDead]

The chassis is going to be updated, and probably they already started working on that, also considering it will be produced in many more units.
An open top variant, closer to the KTM if you want, will wear the Abarth badge.
Wouldn't hold my breath for the third pedal though... mad world.


So given the CF chassis, I don't really know how/why this should compete with the FT-86 Toyabaru...

[Ferrer]

Are they thinking of an Elise rival? Because that's probably asking general public to swallow a bit too much for what basically is an unreliable, electrically-temperamental, Christmas tree-lightning dashboard, Alfa Romeo.

20 to 30 grand, it makes sense. 50 or 60 grand? No way.

[LeonOfTheDead]

20/30.000 € with a carbon fiber chassi?! That doesn't make sense at all.

AFAIK it should go for around 40.000 €.
Now if you consider what the Elise will be in 2 years, there's not going to be much to compare it with. Unless Caterham succeeds, and then I can scrap all the good things I think about present Lotus for good.

[Ferrer]

20/30.000 € with a carbon fiber chassi?! That doesn't make sense at all.

AFAIK it should go for around 40.000 €.
Now if you consider what the Elise will be in 2 years, there's not going to be much to compare it with. Unless Caterham succeeds, and then I can scrap all the good things I think about present Lotus for good.

Surely they can mass produce it and whatnot, lowering the costs and evrything. Altough, here you are the exepert, so you'll tell us if that would be really possible.

Given the (probable low) weight I'd gladly accept an entry level 1370cc 105bhp engine if the price is right. Or perhaps the 135bhp turbo version.

[ScionDriver]

I like it, I'm not crazy about it but I think it's all right. It's got some Lotus in it and I know I might get blasted for this but something about reminds me of the Stratos but I don't know what because I don't see any angles that look like it.

[DesmoRob]

I think it looks good. For having a Lotus type shape, it looks better in Alfa trim. Pictures usually never do anything justice anyway, so I'm quite sure this will be nice in the skin.

[LHamilton_w]

Somewhat odd design, but it looks production worthy IMO.

[LeonOfTheDead]

I think it's really feasible. Recently Fiat bought part of the ATR company, which was responsible for a few decent chassis': Porsche Carrera GT, Ferrari Enzo, Bugatti Veyron etc etc. Also, the guy responsible for the McLaren MP4-12C chassis, Claudio Santoni, comes from ATR.
So, Fiat has now the resources to build CF components of high quality in high volumes, and the little improvement required on the KTM chassis can be either done by Fiat, Ferrari or Dallara itself (this should be the case).
As you said, with such a low weight, something as powerful as the base present Elise could be fairly enough, with the right (cheaper) gearbox too.
That could be a good version to launch at a latter date, but honestly I never heard of it.
In such case, a 30.000 € base price could be really possible with some other simpler details, perhaps sold as an Abarth.

So quite like the Elise it's now.

Then again we are about one/one and a half year away for the actual production car to be at least unveiled, so everything it's still a bit up in the air.

[Roentgen]

Glorified Lotus Evora. Absolutely beautiful though :-)

[demonrunning07]

I think it looks like a Lotus with clichéd Alfa styling paper-mâchéd over the original bodywork. Look past the rosso corsa and Alfa Romeo badge; this is not an attractive car. The styling looks forced and the proportions are all wrong for a mid-engined sports car. It's too bulky in the front and its haunches too fat. "Startled rabbit" was a good comparison.