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Old 03-14-2013, 12:21 AM
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Eh. For commuting, diesel probably makes more sense.
It only does if A prices are very high and B the difference between those prices is significant. If not, you may as well stick with the petrol engine.
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I don't know about Chrysler, but I heave heard about Mazda's aspirations. If the new Mazda 6 is as good as I have heard it its, Mazda might get a purchase. We're in the market for a car this year possibly.
Chrysler as in the Jeep Grand Cherokee. They will be introducing the V6 VM Motori engine currently used in EDM Grand Cherokees in the US.
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Almost 15 years ago I spent a summer in Japan. In some ways you would expect Japan, like Europe to really embrace diesel. While far more common than in the US, diesel's were far less common than in Europe. I can only assume that the combination of prices, regulations etc that made diesel popular in Europe and rare in the US made them less common in Japan. Japan has expensive gas and lots of good diesel technology yet they didn't have nearly the diesel mix of Europe.
This (and the rest of the post too).

They also say that the difference in taxation between diesel and petrol in Europe is protectionist measure against foreign car makers, because no one but European car manufacturers have the expertise to make good diesels (although Japan seems to be catching up quickly).
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Chrysler as in the Jeep Grand Cherokee. They will be introducing the V6 VM Motori engine currently used in EDM Grand Cherokees in the US.
Ah, they're trying that again!
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Hmm, the VW dealer in town has a Jetta TDi wagon with a 6-speed row-it-yourself trans...although it's $5000 more than one with that 2,5l 5 cyl with a manual. As much as I think the 5-cylinder is kind of blah, it's hard to argue with a $5k price difference.
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I have to admit I'm biased against the I5. The best thing I can say about it is the motor is a distant cousin to the V10s in the Lamborghinis. The ~2007 I5s were inefficient. They were delivering mileage similar to my old Ford 2.5L V6 but without the great character and short 50 hp. The HP deficit has been reduced and the mileage increased but compared to a Honda 2.4-2.5L I4 I'm just not impressed.
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I have to admit I'm biased against the I5. The best thing I can say about it is the motor is a distant cousin to the V10s in the Lamborghinis. The ~2007 I5s were inefficient. They were delivering mileage similar to my old Ford 2.5L V6 but without the great character and short 50 hp. The HP deficit has been reduced and the mileage increased but compared to a Honda 2.4-2.5L I4 I'm just not impressed.
Isn't the five better in terms of smoothness and sound than most fours?

I'm bored with four cylinder engines.
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5-pot is a great engine configuration - more balanced than I4, more compact than I6.

Best of all, they do make a fantastic noise. Once you have owned one of these, you are hooked for life.
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Meh. I have driven a couple of Volvo fives and they were OK motors. I don't find the sound to be as addictive as I have heard folks talk about. Other than that they seem to be fine engines, and I have no problem with the inline 5 layout. Something about the VW 5-banger in specific sticks in my head as not being a terribly great motor, though. Nothing concrete, just a feeling that comes to me when I think about VW's 5. Probably something I heard in reviews years ago or something.
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I've always heard the five pots were harsher than a four at low speeds? They do sound good though. I think those non turbo SAABs with five bangers sound particularly glorious. I'd imagine a five pot diesel would be rough though.
I may have asked this before, but has anyone ever heard of combining the diesel cycle with an atkinson-type camshaft profile?
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Had one of those Mercedes 5-cylinder diesels. Sounded like a tractor. I grew up with that sound though so I remember it fondly.
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I've always heard the five pots were harsher than a four at low speeds? They do sound good though. I think those non turbo SAABs with five bangers sound particularly glorious. I'd imagine a five pot diesel would be rough though.
Saab has never had a five cylinder engine.
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Saab has never had a five cylinder engine.
I've seen with my own eyes under the hood of a SAAB equipped with a 5 pot.
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Had one of those Mercedes 5-cylinder diesels. Sounded like a tractor. I grew up with that sound though so I remember it fondly.
All diesels sound like tractors, no matter the number of cylinders or configuration.

Some are slightly more less noisy and more refined but they are like the Rolls-Royce of tractors. Less annoying but still a tractor.

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I've seen with my own eyes under the hood of a SAAB equipped with a 5 pot.
Which model?

Must not have been a factory car.
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Which model?

Must not have been a factory car.
9-3 Viggen. Don't remember the year. The same guy that owns it is in love with SAABs, hes owned several, tuned and crashed one, all with five pots.
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