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Old 01-03-2005, 11:03 AM
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Its a definate tie between the 2004 Toyota Highlander and 2003 v6 Mustang, they're both in our garage, heh; Damn Im good.
Its not really cool to bum your self and say that your good?
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Old 01-03-2005, 04:48 PM
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Whats the point of a v6 stand? 190 horsepower and rwd in a brand new car for 12,000 dollars out the door. Cheapest new car we could find with that power and rwd.

I know its not cool for me to say i'm good, but it's funny to me... and I am damn good. heh heh
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Old 01-03-2005, 04:57 PM
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a v-6 mustang? thats not a real mustang. id have to say.....dodge viper. it perfectly fits my view of a real hard core car. loud powerful engine, built to go fast, not to straddle 50 different goals. it performs its goal (being a fast great handling roadster) VERY well. but, thats only if you want my opinion for cars of that type. if you want to look at practical cheap roadsters, id say lotus. all out supercar? probably a pagani zonda 7.3s, saleen s7, or a carrera gt. for comfort......bentleys and rolls can be changed too much, they can be nearly completly customized except for the exterior.
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Old 01-03-2005, 05:12 PM
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Ferrari 250 GTO, Chevelle SS(386), and Noble M400 all cross my mind as very very good cars. There's the screaming 3L V-12, a 386 cu. in. V-8 with lots of torque, and a very nice and light twin turbo V-6. Then there's fairly good handling, pretty much straight line only, and very good handling. These are just some of my many favorite cars.
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Old 01-03-2005, 05:13 PM
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I wasn't serious when I said the 2003 v6 mustang was the best car ever. To honestly name it I would say... Ford Mustang? It did sell 22,000 the first day it was released, a sales record still in place today. 419 000 by a year after it was released; Amazing numbers today and this was in the mid 60's

I would also say the Corolla is the best car ever. It holds the record for the most model sales over its entire development period, and is increasing that record every day.

The best car sells the most.
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Old 01-03-2005, 05:15 PM
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no.....not neccasarily, that just means its A) kinda cool looking B) you get your money's worth in engineering, and C) you get the room you pay for. how many it sells doesnt mean b.s., except that its agreed that its a good deal and is kinda cool.doesnt mean b.s. past that
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Old 01-03-2005, 05:20 PM
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best car ever?
well, the model T is up there. i think the mini and the bug are way up there too.

my favorite cars are a bit different. the 1957 Ferrari 250 TR, the 1939 Delahaye Type 165, and the mini.

so i guess my answer woudl be the mini since it sits on both
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Old 01-03-2005, 07:44 PM
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Unfortunetly, you're being too narrow minded to realise the different aspects of the best. Ask any sales person what makes the best car and they will agree with me. Ask the owner of Pagani what makes the best car and he wont agree with me. To say the aspect of sales volume doesnt mean b.s. is as worthless as saying, "A v6 Mustang isn't a real Mustang." There's an inherant error that can't be erased.
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Old 01-03-2005, 08:06 PM
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dude, i know its officially a real mustang. ever hear of heritage? also, just cuz something sells really well doesnt mean its good. you live in america meltdown? if you do, or even if you dont, explain suv's. they cant do crap, and what they can do, a real truck can do better, for cheaper. YET they sell amazingly well. to sell really really well, is create a car that is pretty reliable, gets good gas mileage, looks cool, has a nice amount of interior room, and doesnt cost much. thats IT. it doesnt mean its an amazing car, it means that people who cant afford much can get something kinda cool, and can save them money compared to something else in the long run. your an idiot if all you go by is sales. thats like saying aston martins and zondas suck cause they dont sell well enough, when the real reason is zonda factories are too few and too small to produce alot, and EVERYthing a.m. makes is limited. does that mean they suck? according to you meltdown, they do, and your wrong, so consider your logic before you apply it
EDIT: oh yeah, i talked to a sales guy who is a family friend, works at a used dealership in my area, has driven zondas, enzos, cgt's, practically everything (the dealership is a normal used dealership, the exotics are not because of the dealership, but because friends want his opinion on cars because of his incredibly vast knowledge about hundreds of cars)
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Old 01-03-2005, 08:10 PM
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ok, to sum up what i said since its probably kinda confusing. capitolism at work. make a good product, wether its amazing or not, but make it cheap, yet retain enough quality, and many will be sold quickly. capitalism at work
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Your response is vastly flawed, sorry. I never said any car was of lower quality. I explained that the definition of the "best car" changes with everyone's viewpoint, depending on life experience and knowledge. In fact, to say that one car is better than another is simply personal opinion. A person with experience in both could say a Yugo is better than a BMW 7-series.
His reasons could be, the Yugo is slower and smaller. It requires more work to run properly (this could be a positive in his eyes as he may love to work on cars). It is not a big loss if it is destroyed, because you can replace it ten times with the same model and it still wouldnt cost half the price of the first BMW.
And guess what, you can't prove him wrong. His reasons are viable enough for him and for him, it would be a better car.

For me, in referring to what I view as the best quality of a car (its sale-ability), I would say the Corolla and the Mustang are the best cars ever made. And guess what, you can't prove me wrong; only further express your views while imagining that myne are wrong. Have fun...
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Old 01-03-2005, 08:25 PM
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wow. you just basically took everything i said, and put it into a perspective that is just stupid. i never said your opinion itself was stupid. i was bashing your LOGIC! as in, your REASONING. it is completly STUPID to base wether a car is better then another just off of sales figures. unless its like the g35 sedan vs. the acura tl kind of thing. all you said was that everyone was being narrowminded, and needed to look at the real aspects that make a car good, then you said some toyota, and said it was the best, because its sold the most. if THATS what decides wether cars are good or not, thats quite a bad way to pick what car to buy. thats basically a simpler version of what i said before. and also, next time you say something. bring ALL your reasoning. you were looking at car's marketing ability. we werent. you need to say that, and why you think its best. if you dont rbing all your evidence, you look retarded but you dont realize it cause those thoughts were part of your thought process, but not what you typed. so, wow, we really agreed, but you were just being an ignorant fool by not saying what you were comparing cars by. yes, indeed, for marketing ability you are right. but by actual "goals accomplished" and sheer quality, no you are not, so next time, as i have now said like 10 times in this single post, SAY HOW YOUR COMPARING!
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Old 01-03-2005, 08:27 PM
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wow. you just basically took everything i said, and put it into a perspective that is just stupid. i never said your opinion itself was stupid. i was bashing your LOGIC! as in, your REASONING. it is completly STUPID to base wether a car is better then another just off of sales figures. unless its like the g35 sedan vs. the acura tl kind of thing. all you said was that everyone was being narrowminded, and needed to look at the real aspects that make a car good, then you said some toyota, and said it was the best, because its sold the most. if THATS what decides wether cars are good or not, thats quite a bad way to pick what car to buy. thats basically a simpler version of what i said before. and also, next time you say something. bring ALL your reasoning. you were looking at car's marketing ability. we werent. you need to say that, and why you think its best. if you dont rbing all your evidence, you look retarded but you dont realize it cause those thoughts were part of your thought process, but not what you typed. so, wow, we really agreed, but you were just being an ignorant fool by not saying what you were comparing cars by. yes, indeed, for marketing ability you are right. but by actual "goals accomplished" and sheer quality, no you are not, so next time, as i have now said like 10 times in this single post, SAY HOW YOUR COMPARING!
dude, he's right, a camry is a better car than a Porsche because it sells more.
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Old 01-03-2005, 08:31 PM
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i said, we agree, and most of what i said, was that he needed to say in the beginning that he was comparing the camry to other cars based on its "sellability", and not performance. so really we agree. so lets end the stubbornness and confusion right now, cause i know what he did, he just forgot a single line of type, ive done it many times, and most of that last post was giving him that sound piece of advice. he never said originally that he was comparing sellability, he needed to make that more clear, and now i realize that, and im just trying to prevent further pain from this sort of thing in the future by stressing that peice of advice. its very confusing i know, but.......yeah, pretty much, thats it
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It just depends on who you ask, you're not opening yourself to the definition of the word. My opinion is formed from my logic.
If I'm a saleserson, I will always view the Camry to be a better car than the Land Cruiser. Because the Camry is my money maker, it doesn't matter if its less refined, less comfortable, and less prestigious than the Land Cruiser. A Ford sales manager would view the Escort as better than any Ferrari, because Ferrari doesn't pay the bills. On the other hand, a race car driver with no noticeable budget would view the Ferrari as best.

The starter of the thread did not specify, "Which car is the best in terms of driving fun and ingenuity"; the entire thread to begin with contained more fallacies than I could mention. If you can't open your mind to this, I can't help you... and you won't pass any advanced English courses in college.
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