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Old 08-03-2011, 01:38 PM
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People have had the older Jetta cares about how bad the new one is. But then they see the sticker and they stop complaining.
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I sat in a new Civic, I wasn't happy about the interior. I didn't drive it, but it just wasn't a pleasant place to be in.

All economic cars have some cost cutting in them. The Jetta got really cheap too. Only thing is, no one really cares about the Jetta, that's why it's not as outrageous.
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People have had the older Jetta cares about how bad the new one is. But then they see the sticker and they stop complaining.
It's just listening to the market and giving them what they want/need.
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Old 08-03-2011, 02:57 PM
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People have had the older Jetta cares about how bad the new one is. But then they see the sticker and they stop complaining.
Thing is, I don't think the new Civic is even that cheap.

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It's just listening to the market and giving them what they want/need.
I'm not saying that Honda isn't catering to the market. It's just that no Hondas really appeal to me anymore.
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Old 08-03-2011, 02:58 PM
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I don't really have brand allegiance.

I like certain specific cars.

Will you become more like that now NSX?
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Old 08-03-2011, 03:13 PM
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Old 08-03-2011, 04:09 PM
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I'm not saying that Honda isn't catering to the market. It's just that no Hondas really appeal to me anymore.
What does appeal to you?
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Honda Civic is currently leading the BTCC race series here in the UK
Which has nothing to do with the Civic in pretty much anywhere else in the world...
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Old 08-03-2011, 04:12 PM
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Which has nothing to do with the Civic in pretty much anywhere else in the world...
1) Shows Honda is backing the model in at least one country
2) Shows Honda Civic has the basis of a winning car
3) SHows Honda Civic looks better than the Chevy
4) It's one data point of positive when all are only seeing and implying Honda have lost interest.
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Old 08-03-2011, 04:22 PM
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You forgot to say Honda gave us the Type R as well, and it even managed to get imported back to Japan.
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Old 08-03-2011, 07:39 PM
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1) Shows Honda is backing the model in at least one country
2) Shows Honda Civic has the basis of a winning car
3) SHows Honda Civic looks better than the Chevy
4) It's one data point of positive when all are only seeing and implying Honda have lost interest.
And yet that is a 2008 Civic.....something they don't make anymore...

I am with NSX though, the current Honda is not appealing at all to an enthusiast. And that includes Acura in US. The Acura is currently plagued with awkwardly styled cars that replaced their more appealing counterpart. Aside from the SI and maybe the CR-Z, there are no other "performance" model. And even with those they are not as appealing as they could've been. CR-Z I think is an interesting car, they could make it a real hybrid performance car at an affordable level....but as it is, its really not enough(light or powerful) to be really appealing as an alternative to someone who is looking for a hot hatch....

I think Honda knows this, the recent rumor is that they are re-evaluating the HSV as a road car, and perhaps revive the Type R cars. They still need some cars are street level though....As I've said, unlike the media friendly Toyota with their hybrids, Honda's hybrid are not as good as hybrids....and certainly not appealing....
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Old 08-03-2011, 11:12 PM
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1) Shows Honda is backing the model in at least one country
2) Shows Honda Civic has the basis of a winning car
3) SHows Honda Civic looks better than the Chevy
4) It's one data point of positive when all are only seeing and implying Honda have lost interest.
Maybe I'm wrong about this, but I feel like success in almost any racing series has more to do with the money that a car company invests to design and fund race cars than the quality of the road car on which the race car is supposedly based. Take Lancia's success in rally racing, they spent a great deal of their time and money developing and implementing a lot of revolutionary race technology but were almost hopelessly unable to build a quality and reliable road car. But if that is true, then I guess it further bolsters the first point you asserted.

And then again, how often is it quality and reliability make the make a car genuinely interesting?
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Old 08-03-2011, 11:15 PM
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Maybe I'm wrong about this, but I feel like success in almost any racing series has more to do with the money that a car company invests to design and fund race cars than the quality of the road car on which the race car is supposedly based. Take Lancia's success in rally racing, they spent a great deal of their time and money developing and implementing a lot of revolutionary race technology but were almost hopelessly unable to build a quality and reliable road car. But if that is true, then I guess it further bolsters the first point you asserted.
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And then again, how often is it quality and reliability make the make a car genuinely interesting?
Funny you mention this, as the Acura NSX was actually praised for those reasons - it didn't randomly explode and started when you wanted it to, not when it wanted it to.
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Old 08-04-2011, 02:17 AM
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And yet that is a 2008 Civic.....something they don't make anymore...
Come to the UK and buy a new one WHich is why they race 'em in the series.
The BTCC is a big shop front for the manufacturers and they heavily promote the cars and brands at the events.

http://www.honda.co.uk/cars/civictyper/

My local dealer has the Civic on the lot starting from 12K ... yeah WE KNOW that UK car prices are crazily high
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The BTCC is a shadow of what it once was, and I think it's only a semi-works effort from Honda, although I might be wrong. But RacingManiac, you should probably remember that cars are often in different generations in the US/Canada and Europe.
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