I wanna know why everyone seems to think im some dreadlocked wannabe Rasta with rich parents in Monterey???...
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I wanna know why everyone seems to think im some dreadlocked wannabe Rasta with rich parents in Monterey???...
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Originally Posted by kingofthering
I GUARANTEE if they seized and liquidated the assets of the ultra rich my quality of living would increase dramatically...
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Try telling that to the Chinese. Some of those assets they seized belong to my mother's family, leaving them with nothing. Do you think that was fair?
Yet, 60 years later, a majority of China is still the same crappy shithole it might have been.
Also, history dictates that the politically motivated tended to be upper-middle class who have money.
I'm dropping out to create a company that starts with motorcycles, then cars, and forty years later signs a legendary Brazilian driver who has a public and expensive feud with his French teammate.
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Thats because those assets were only redistributed to the ultra rich, NOT the general population. Not to mention the government their isnt, and never WAS, a true communist government, thats why theres ultra rich assholes having murals painted all over their mansions while people starve outside...
Furniture
That's a terrible idea.
He came dancing across the water
With his galleons and guns
Looking for the new world
In that palace in the sun
On the shore lay Montezuma
With his cocoa leaves and pearls
Enthusiast
Time for a joke...
A working man sends his daugther to college and she learns about socialism, and rightfully so comes back home with the idea that it should be the way things are run. The parent discusses the pros and cons with the girl but they don't get to a common point.
So the dad moves on, and asks about her grades. She says she worked her ass off and did very well, getting an A average. The dad then asks about her friend Mary. She says she partied a lot, simply didn't focus on her subjects and as a result got a C average. The dad says that she should propose the administrators to give her and Mary a B average, as they are so close. She obviously refuses arguing she worked her ass off for her grades and Mary didn't. The father just says "see, that's socialism at work".
Get it?
The idea is great, but the execution almost everywhere has been awful.
And about healthcare, they have great doctors and probably great hospitals, but more than often they lack medicines!
Zag when they Zig
Furniture
I can see some merits of making the ultra-rich less rich.
Super Moderator
Because they currently earn $20 a month and are already educated and see that in the US they could earn $500 a month. Shame so many end up in ghettos, with no healthcare earning $400 a month and costs of $600
They've bought into the capitalism dream that anyone can become a mllionaire .... not looking with open eyes to see how many start out to do so and fail along the way ?
Can propose a hundred reasonsThe myth of "freedom" is only one
"A woman without curves is like a road without bends, you might get to your destination quicker but the ride is boring as hell'
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Only because of scarry McCarthyist views embeeded in the psyche
You dont' take ALL the wealth ... that's revolution no socialism or communism !
It's about redistribution and again that does NOT Mean everyone is "equal", but that the lowest paid jobs earn a living wage and that the gap between the richest paid and the poorest is not so wide. It's frightening to compare the salary of the CEO to the salary of the lowest hourly rate employee in some companies. It's not THAT big a contribution to the company difference ! Yes, good companies try to not make it wide, but they are few and far between.
So, putting the scary neo-con boogy-man in the closest stories aside, there is value in redistribution. Equally it's worth considering taxing income from assets higher than we currently do ( in nearly all nations ) as the ultra rich use those to get even richer with NO effort, no "worth" and at the cost to someone else.
"A woman without curves is like a road without bends, you might get to your destination quicker but the ride is boring as hell'
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As they did themselves and a few do today.
Look at Carnegie .... look around the world and see how many "gifts to the community" he funded ! ( LIke to point out he was SCOTTISH
"A woman without curves is like a road without bends, you might get to your destination quicker but the ride is boring as hell'
Furniture
From my grandfather's town.As they did themselves and a few do today.
Look at Carnegie .... look around the world and see how many "gifts to the community" he funded ! ( LIke to point out he was SCOTTISH
He could have paid his workers better.
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Well funny stories are just that ... could equally have written the punchline as ...Time for a joke...
The dad says that she should propose the administrators to give her and Mary a B average, as they are so close. She obviously refuses arguing she worked her ass off for her grades and Mary didn't. The father just says "see, that's socialism at work".
Get it?
Dad sends a cheque to the adminstrators and so his daughter never has to sit the exam and because that is only in rich schools, Mary drops out as there is poor schooling for the rest. The father says " See that's capitalism at work"
Get that ?
Re drugs in Cuba ... lets see ..... which nation has had an embargo on CUba for the last 40 years ? Know how much paperwork it takes to get the US to agree to sales to Cuba ? You have to prove that every tablet/injection will NOT get to a soldier, airman or sailer -- when you rationlise trying to achieve that it's clearly untenable. The US are acting like the French did over VCRs in the 80s !! Yes you CAN do it but just see how much red tape puts you off bothering
Also, Cuba's esporting lots of it's medicines and skills. WOudl be interesting to see the figures on that as it grabs headlines but I'm not sure of the real numbers.
Last edited by Matra et Alpine; 02-21-2008 at 12:09 AM.
"A woman without curves is like a road without bends, you might get to your destination quicker but the ride is boring as hell'
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Dont forget that dozens of Americans are going to Cuba to get their medical degrees, because its free, with the promise that when they return home they administer healthcare to the poor for free...
Oh, and the US has no problem with that, i wonder why???...
Enthusiast
'cmon now, take a common sense approach. if communsism was so great, why did they have to build a wall to stop people from crossing into west germany? if cuba is so great how come people float here in little rafts and die quite often doing it? if cuba is so great why arent Americans and people from other first world countries immigrating there?
ill answer it for you...BECAUSE ITS A CRAPHOLE!!! AND THE SYSTEM DOESNT WORK!!!!
Everybody in Cuba is a "have not" unless they are high ranking government officialls. You should see some of my family's pictures from before castro and compare them to now its like night and day. My family was not rich, but they werent poor, they were middle class and people who did nothing to earn my family's house got to live in it for no reason.
And guess what, while some people have been wronged in one way or another and have become second class citizens, a vast majority of second class citizens are there because of their own fault. (GASP!) Open your eyes, if you dont get good grades as a kid your not gonna be able to go to college, if you decide to screw around instead of working hard at your job your not going to move up, if you blow your paychecks on playstations, booze, drugs, tv's, ect... and dont save it for a rainy day or the future your not gonna have money to spend on healthcare or education. If you get pregnant at a young age without a decent job or the means to support a kid, life is not gonna be easy. And its nobody's responsiblity but your own.
And what is all this talk of a "Guaranteed college education". That is rediculous, you need to work hard and be the best to get to college. thats the whole point of it college is made to separate the good from the mediocre. then graduate school separates the great from the good and so on and so on. if everyone went to college, then it wouldn't be special and a degree wouldn't be worth as much.
A woman goes to the doctor to figure out why she is having breathing problems...The doctor tells her she is overweight. She says she wants a second opinion...the doctor says, "your ugly".
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People float to the US A. because they think its still the land of opportunity, where ANYONE can achieve greatness and B. because they cant fly. Not EVERYONE is a have not, theyre average, and while your family was one of the few middle class families the majority of the country was illiterate and poor. Im not a second class citizen because i dont work hard, im a second class citizen because i have dual citizenship and ENTRY LEVEL JOBS DONT ****ING PAY A LIVING WAGE!!!. EVERYONE has to start out at an entry level job, its what happens after high school, no matter how well you did grade wise, its the fact that living expenses are increasing while pay is not. College should be available for EVERYONE and be PAYED BY TAXES, yeah you should only get in if you work to but i worked for decent grades so i could get into college only i cant pay for it and my parents wont. If the country made college available to EVERYONE then youd probably have a shitload more kids going to college...
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