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Old 03-11-2008, 05:57 PM
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High fives to low sixes with good mid range...a VN SS Commodore won't match that with it's 5.0L
From a quick squiz it seems the 6cyl M5 is indeed a bit quicker to 100 km/h than was the 5 litre SS sedan, but slower from that speed to higher velocities. Afaik a ute is lighter than the sedan variant, and there is little doubt (and self-evident proof) that the ute was indeed the faster machine around Bathurst. Btw I attended that very race and IIRC there were quite a few Holdens that out-qualified the factory M5

I would consider an approx $20k common-or-garden Holden light-commercial vehicle to be lower profile than a $200,000+ BMW M5 and thus have more Q-value

And I likewise think if you removed all the police insignia from one of THESE it would then (with its plain station wagon looks, bare steel wheels and unadorned trim) represent a lower profile - hence higher Q-value, despite somewhat less outright performance - than something like the pic-attached Merc 500E 'Q-car' beladen with performance-telltale flared arches & spoilers & ground-effects add-ons
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Old 03-11-2008, 06:10 PM
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It's a Q-ship that invested in a really nice brig instead of some big guns. The Cortina is slower..just.
And the Lotus Cortina doesn't accelerate any faster than the manual version of these!

[edit] link now denied so for those who missed it here's two pics
(btw the manual version I've mentioned was a basic 3-speed and almost one second quicker from 0-100 over the race-bred Lotus)
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Old 03-11-2008, 09:22 PM
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From a quick squiz it seems the 6cyl M5 is indeed a bit quicker to 100 km/h than was the 5 litre SS sedan, but slower from that speed to higher velocities.
I'm quite surprised by that, considering the M5 had about 100horsepowers more than that SS, I've ridden a few 5L commodores and they've never felt special quick and while I haven't been in an E34 M5 I've felt the way a 300+bhp big 6 can pull a car (in a 350Z) and I expected the M5 should be quicker than a cooking spec 5.L.....
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Afaik a ute is lighter than the sedan variant, and there is little doubt (and self-evident proof) that the ute was indeed the faster machine around Bathurst. Btw I attended that very race and IIRC there were quite a few Holdens that out-qualified the factory M5
Is it possible that the locals benefitted from a little development tune the German possibly missed out on? There couldn't have been a lot of local knowledge to put into the E34 at that time.
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I would consider an approx $20k common-or-garden Holden light-commercial vehicle to be lower profile than a $200,000+ BMW M5 and thus have more Q-value
Hahaha, perhaps more bang for buck but a key element of Q-ness is surprise and everyone knows what to expect from a Commodore.
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Old 03-11-2008, 09:23 PM
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And the Lotus Cortina doesn't accelerate any faster than the manual version of these!
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Old 03-12-2008, 12:26 AM
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Actually yes, yes it is the point. A Q-car that's not fast isn't a Q-car at all.
Please define "fast"...
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Old 03-12-2008, 12:53 AM
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Please define "fast"...
not slow
imo, enough to scare a sportscar
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Old 03-12-2008, 12:57 AM
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Please define "fast"...
to refuse eating....
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Old 03-12-2008, 01:11 AM
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And I likewise think if you removed all the police insignia from one of THESE it would then (with its plain station wagon looks, bare steel wheels and unadorned trim) represent a lower profile - hence higher Q-value, despite somewhat less outright performance - than something like the pic-attached Merc 500E 'Q-car' beladen with performance-telltale flared arches & spoilers & ground-effects add-ons
If you think the 500 E was slow there's always the ultra rare E60 AMG W124, with a 6-litre 380bhp V8.

And don't tell me this isn't subtle. You cheated choosing the version with big shiny wheels...
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Old 03-18-2008, 11:37 PM
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Old 03-21-2008, 09:35 AM
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id say that the ultimate Q Car is(if im allowed to say it):Subaru Impreza 22B STI.
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