2010 Turkish Grand Prix (May 28-30)

[Badsight]

vettal had the speed & was clearly nose ahead by the time they touched

even tho there was no way he had clear space to shift his car , vettal did move towards webber & initiated contact . . . . . . . . . & even tho this was a high speed incident that was over in a second , i would have expected webber to have made some room if i was RBR team boss

webber was clearly being passed , & yet was trying to squeeze him out of the brake & turn in point .

bully tactics that are fine in covered wheel racing , but in F1 ? when its your own teammate & the main competition are directly behind ? it ends in what we saw happen , busted wheels

stupid on webbers part & a stupid right shift on vettals part

[Matra et Alpine]

I did love Webber clear explanation to Button on what happened during the post-race interview of Hamilton. He didnt' realise they weren't close up on Lewis and you could see Webber with both hands showing car position and the left hand ( Vettel ) sweeping across and hitting him.

Struggled to hear them talk about it BEFORE the presentations., it looked like he was getting support from the McLaren drivers - they were behind after all and probably the best view ???? Again, they realised they were on camera and stopped

[Matra et Alpine]

webber was clearly being passed , & yet was trying to squeeze him out of the brake & turn in point .

Well you can only really "squeeze" someon if you move your car.
Webber didn't.
Vettel made a move that was not going to complete for the corner turn in UNLESS the other car moved out of his way.

stupid on webbers part & a stupid right shift on vettals part

Teams are not allowed to have team instructions on race movement.
Webber was racing and was holding his line.
Vettel was stupid for putting the move in when there was only engough space to get the car in but not enough to then make the corner. If Vettel had not tried to move right then he could never have made the corner apex and would have gone wide and Webber would have returned the postiion on the inside of the exit.
Until we know what Vettel was told by his mechanic over radio we'll never know whether he was being stupid or naive.

[Badsight]

Well you can only really "squeeze" someon if you move your car.
Webber didn't.
Vettel made a move that was not going to complete for the corner turn in UNLESS the other car moved out of his way.

yeah thats true . lewis is also bad for really risky overtaking , & with luck it wins you races , but to do it on your own teamate ?!? just crazy

these guys are getting millions to not do that!

& if there was a favortisim going on & vettal wasnt told to lower the engine down , that really sucks for webber

[Matra et Alpine]

^^^ to be fair, Vettel may have had more fuel and not need to turn the fuel down as much as Webber. BUT if that was the case then there were going to be plenty of opportunities to do an overtake in "safer" places AND to back off if it was getting tight

[IBrake4Rainbows]

Precisely, Matra. If the situation was to be Vettel in front then a few more corners (or indeed laps) wouldn't have killed him. Instead he made a tremendously aggressive move that was plainly unexpected.

I have to defend Webber (he's from my hometown...fine, Queanbeyan ) but while it takes two to Tango, Vettel plainly was the one stepping on toes.

[torque55]

vettel had to overtake, or eventually be overtaken.
I think it was webber's fault since vettel's car was clearly ahead, plus he should give his teamate room, or close the door at an earlier phase rather than when it was too late.It was clear in the interview, that webber's body language was shaky which indicates that he knows that it was his fault.

[fpv_gtho]

Vettel was not clearly ahead. If he was, he coudlve moved over infront of Webber without making an impact. He was half a car length infront. Webber didnt close any doors either - he was maintaining a straight line up to T12

[Matra et Alpine]

torq - which interview are you talking of ? The 3 seat series interview he clearly was demonstrating to Button it was Vettel who pulled in. BEFORE they went on the podium you could clearly see Webber and Hamilton talking about it and the "message" was pretty clear. Sounds like there's another I've not seen.

You do NOT move off your race line for ANYONE. Even DC learned that the hard way, being kept as dogs-body of the McLaren team

My best interview was the BBC team talking to Brawn and in particular getting Ross to comment on it. He was being as diplomatic as possible but DID say that HE wouldn't have been cuddling Vettel the way RBR did at the pit box !!!

[clutch-monkey]

vettel had to overtake, or eventually be overtaken.
I think it was webber's fault since vettel's car was clearly ahead, plus he should give his teamate room, or close the door at an earlier phase rather than when it was too late.It was clear in the interview, that webber's body language was shaky which indicates that he knows that it was his fault.

the onus is on the person overtaking to perform the pass safely.. vettel didn't do it. if he was clearly faster then he could have done it easily.. or in a safer spot.

[whiteballz]

Agreed.

I was under the impression that its the overtakers responsibility to perform the move cleanly and safely.

[pimento]

I've not seen it, but from what youse lot are saying it seems pretty clear that Vettel swerved into Webber hoping/assuming that room would be provided in order to get around the corner. Which is not what you do when battling for the lead. I'd say Vettel should have gone deep into the corner and allowed Webber to get back under him so they could both have lived to fight another corner. It's easy to assume that Vettel was frustrated by being so comprehensively beaten the previous two rounds and this was out to prove a point and failed dismally... so I will. Damn you Vettel!

[Matra et Alpine]

^^^ the problem with that is the possible state of the inside line on the corner.
It may be there was no grip there and so Vettel, having boxed himself into that position realised that continuing straight to a sharp turn in on apex woudl fail as he could never slow down and thus not only not make the overtake but then be in a position that the McLaren's would have swamped him and passed.
The track would certanly be green and with the damp periods of time possibly even less grip.
Plenty of vids up on Youtube etc so worth having a look P

[pimento]

Ya, ya.. and ya. But then.. if the track was green and dodgy, then maybe the kamikaze move was a bad one to take in the first place. I'd not seen it before cos I was at work and away for the weekend and sundries.. I'll find it later.

[Matra et Alpine]

the kamikaze move was a bad one to take in the first place

That is a good summary of my opinion on Vettel's choice