something interesting i heard about

[Juggs]

well i don't know too much about this but maybe you guys have heard something and you can fill in the story a little more but this is pretty interesting none the less... my friend at work yesterday was telling me recently a nascar team got caught "cheating" in an interesting way. somehow this car was blowing everybodies doors off and nobody knew why it was so powerful so nascar officials decided they had to look at it to see if it was breaking any rules and when they dove into the motor they had quite a suprise. what looked like a normal nascar V8 motor was actually a V7 (if you will) that did have an 8th cylinder with a piston but intstead of having detonation take place in that cylinder they had it set up so that that cylinder was pumping air into all the other cylinders. that sounds a little crazy but i guess it worked. not sure if that cylinder had more displacement than the others or what but the officials ruled it as a form of forced injection and so they said it wasnt allowed. pretty crazy tho huh?

[lightweight]

Smart!!! Rules can be interpreted in many ways. The smartest interpretation can make a champion. Reminds me some cheating gadgetry found in F1. I' sure that the list of similar incidents is pretty long. It would get even longer if someone included the cheating that never was uncovered

[Bob]

dum americans

Why? Because we figured out how to make more power from an equally sized engine using a new idea? Maybe you're just a little jealous of NASCAR's greatness

[Bob]

listen up bob,

we got 400bhp from a 2 litre now fuk off.

WHoa!! Settle down, I was joking, I hate NASCAR- but its not a bad idea why are you so hostile? It should give the same kind of power boost as a turbo without the lag, what's wrong with that?

BTW, where's the 400bhp 2 litre? not arguing, im sure it exists, im just curious Is it na?

[SIMPLETON]

Any idea what team/car was possibly using this?

[whiteballz]

it reminds me of Toyota's celica ('94) GT4 rally car. in the WRC they used a turbo that expanded with heat and contracted in cool, so it would make it past scrutineering..

[Egg Nog]

it reminds me of Toyota's celica ('94) GT4 rally car. in the WRC they used a turbo that expanded with heat and contracted in cool, so it would make it past scrutineering..

It's pretty difficult to find a material to make a turbocharger out of that won't expand with heat and contract with cold. It's not design or anything, it's just the laws of physics.

[my porsche]

wait a minute, you honestly expect me to beleive that a nascar person came up with this?

they have 1500hp 1.7L engines (nikki lauda's porsche/mclaren F1 car of the 80's)

[my porsche]

It's pretty difficult to find a material to make a turbocharger out of that won't expand with heat and contract with cold. It's not design or anything, it's just the laws of physics.

has anyone ever tried a carbon fibre turbo?

[Egg Nog]

has anyone ever tried a carbon fibre turbo?

Definitely not. For good reason. Carbon fibre is in no way strong enough and will burn at a far lower temperature than a turbocharger operates at. Turbos shouldn't burn away to nothing when you start up your car

[SIMPLETON]

wouldnt this cylinder have to operate at some crazy high rpm or something. I mean, it sounds simple enough on paper but when you take a closer look at it, it would take some really amazing engineering to get this to work let alone get it give you noticeable gains. Lets see what MetA has to say about it.

[taz_rocks_miami]

Definitely not. For good reason. Carbon fibre is in no way strong enough and will burn at a far lower temperature than a turbocharger operates at. Turbos shouldn't burn away to nothing when you start up your car

Bio-degradable turbos, how much more green can you get??

[targa]

awsome.....

[lightweight]

wait a minute, you honestly expect me to beleive that a nascar person came up with this?

they have 1500hp 1.7L engines (nikki lauda's porsche/mclaren F1 car of the 80's)

They were 1.5L. The engine from Brabham BMW BT52 produced 1400+ (the dyno measured only up to 1400 horses) but in qualifying trim. In race trim it would be about 1000, maybe lower. I think this was in 1982. Not sure though

[my porsche]

yup, read an article on it im GT, i think it was 80-81 season, and yes it was scaled back to "only" 1000